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Old 03-23-10, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default What is the german word for control?

Reason I ask I just saw a 'wait screen' while launching SH5 that said the conning tower got its name because it's where you CON(trol) the boat from.

What did the Kriegsmarine call this station?
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Old 03-23-10, 05:19 PM   #2
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Maybe Kommandoturm?
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Old 03-23-10, 05:24 PM   #3
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I had read it was originally called the conning tower in a sub, because very early submarines had glass portholes in that station from which the boat could be "conned" or steered. The portholes quickly disappeared since they could not withstand any reasonable depth, but the name stuck.
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Old 03-23-10, 05:27 PM   #4
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Conning towers pre-date subs.

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A conning tower is a raised platform on a ship or submarine, often armored, from which an officer can con the vessel; i.e., give directions to the helmsman. It is usually located as high on the ship as practical, to give the conning team good visibility.
The verb con probably stems from the verb conduct rather from another plausible precedent, the verb control.[1] It is noted that the conning tower allows for efficient reconnaissance.
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Old 03-23-10, 05:30 PM   #5
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Well yeah but to be conned, that's the verb 'To Con', but where did that come from? Was 'con' a derivative of 'control' or of 'conduct'. Conduct seems more plausible for English, as you don't really have control from the bridge, but you do conduct. No idea what the German is though.
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Old 03-23-10, 05:33 PM   #6
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@Op
Maybe a 20-30 letter long word
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Old 03-23-10, 05:34 PM   #7
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I doubt it has anything to do with German.
In the late 1800s, when the word appeared, Germany was not the country making new Naval words.
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I think in Germany we only say "Turm" in Relation with the U-Boot.

EDIT: I am pretty sure.
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Old 03-23-10, 06:01 PM   #9
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...raised platform...It is usually located as high on the ship as practical, to give the conning team good visibility.
Interesting, since on all battleships the armored conning tower was placed below the bridge, as low as they could make it and still be able to see. It was considered a point of honor for the captain to be up on the bridge and give orders to the helmsman through a speaking tube.

As for the etemology of the word, www.dictionary.com gives various possibilities:

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con
"to guide ships," 1626, from Fr. conduire, from L. conducere (see conduce).
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From cond, from Middle English conduen, from Old French conduire, from Latin condūcere, to lead together; see conduce.


For 'conduce', they give:
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1350–1400; ME < L condūcere to lead, bring together, equiv. to con- con + dūcere to lead, akin to dux (see duke) and to tow1, tug
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Old 03-23-10, 06:06 PM   #10
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Thats the "Turm"
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Hello,
wonderful model !

Control means "Steuerung", in german. It is the right translation, however it has a lot to do with "steering".

The conning tower or "sail" as it is called today on US subs, is the "Turm" in german. However the room where all informations get to, from where the boat is managed, and from which orders are given, would be the "Zentrale" in german, for the central control room. "Kontrollraum" or "Steuerungskontrolle" would also be possible in german.
Conning or con tower is an abbreviated word of Control, i am pretty sure.

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P.S: b.t.w. Mr. Bauer already invented a U-boat, the "Brandtaucher", in 1850. But its "Turm" was a rather small affair ..
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bauer_(Ingenieur)
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Exactly I'm looking for the term...... oh wait...
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Old 03-23-10, 06:38 PM   #13
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Conning or con tower is an abbreviated word of Control, i am pretty sure.
I'm pretty sure not. See my post above.

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P.S: b.t.w. Mr. Bauer already invented a U-boat, the "Brandtaucher", in 1850. But its "Turm" was a rather small affair ..
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Bauer_(Ingenieur)
Two hundred years late, I'd say.
http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/speci...al_drebbel.htm
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Das Liberal?

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The german word for control is kontrolle. I think you search another one?
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