Patch No. 2 not to be developed...no more Support?

urfisch · 03-20-10, 12:32 PM

This is the question. SH5 seems not to be sold, like they wanted. So the questions appears to me, if there will be no more support on this game. Is there anybody closer to some new info on that? Neal, maybe?

In the german forums there are rumors, which say the game is not beeing patched any more...

Rockin Robbins · 03-20-10, 12:35 PM

Rumors are not worth the paper they are not printed on.

CCIP · 03-20-10, 12:37 PM

Yeah, info that is speculative is not much better than not info at all. Let's not spread rumors, shall we?

I mean, anyone can say anything right now and it would be about as valid as the opposite. Just wait and see. No sense acting indignant over a bunch of hot air.

Sonarman · 03-20-10, 12:38 PM

What makes you think it's not selling well?... it was number 8 in the UK PC chart last week, no 5 in the German PC chart no 8 on the steam chart and no 2 in the UK D2D chart. The only place it doesn't seem to be selling well is on Amazon because of all the damning DRM comments. Perhaps we should post some more positive comments to balance things up a bit and increase the chances on an SH6.

CCIP · 03-20-10, 12:41 PM

I'm curious though whether there is some sort of publication agreement stipulated about the number of patches. Notice for example that the previous two games had exactly 3 patches after release (+1 add-on). I know that some major publishers used to limit the number of patches that would be issued for the game before it was even published. Not sure if that is the case anymore. However I would be very surprised if there were no provisions in the contract for this game for post-release support. That's really not how software generally works, so I'd be surprised if it was dropped. Something would have had to gone really, really wrong for that to happen. Honestly, if anything has gone spectacularly wrong so far it's the DRM. If Ubi hasn't dropped the DRM, I would be surprised that they would drop the developers. It's obvious that they're far from desperate at this moment.

Anyway, yeah, I don't think there's any hint of it not selling well, to be honest.

03-20-10, 12:47 PM

Let this bastard called SH5 die of natural causes.

Noren · 03-20-10, 12:52 PM

The lack of feedback is astaunding!

Is'nt it commong sense to patch a game ridden with bugs? That way it could save them some dignity for this release.
Players are screaming for official word in the other forum and the moderators take notice, but still no word from the official channels.

John Channing · 03-20-10, 12:54 PM

Did you read the post above you?

If you did, then why do you think that a person who worked night and day on something for over a year would bother to answer anyone's questions when they are greeted with an immature, sophmoric statement like that.

JCC

kylania · 03-20-10, 01:00 PM

Please add an [Ignorant] or [Rumor] tag to this completely untrue and misleading thread title.

Noren · 03-20-10, 01:01 PM

I dont think your post was directed towards me but its a bit to sarcastic for my taste anyway. The devs, ubisoft etc dont reply at all to those questions, no matter how intelligent and fortcoming the actual question is and that ultimately leads to frustrated players. Are you defending their actions? Or their passiveness...

Arclight · 03-20-10, 01:02 PM

Thought we already had confirmation on 1 or 2 problems to be fixed in the next patch?

Kapitanleutnant · 03-20-10, 01:05 PM

It's true there won't be a second patch, my source just confirmed it.

Source: my arse.

Charlie901 · 03-20-10, 01:07 PM

Well I believe the REAL QUESTION is:

Is UbiSoft willing to let the Devs take the neccessary time away from their other project titles to PATCH this game and if so how much time and resources is UbiSoft willing to commit to any forthcomming patches?

Dan has said himself, publicly, that he's not happy with the state of this game upon release.

So, lets hope UBISoft listens to their customers this time around and lets Dan and the other Devs complete the missing features and properly patch this one, with as much time and patches as needed.

Unfortunately, based on UBISoft's past history, regarding SH releases and the fact that each game in the series gets released less complete and more buggy than the previous title, I'm not being overly optomistic at this point.

msxyz · 03-20-10, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

I'm curious though whether there is some sort of publication agreement stipulated about the number of patches. Notice for example that the previous two games had exactly 3 patches after release (+1 add-on). I know that some major publishers used to limit the number of patches that would be issued for the game before it was even published. Not sure if that is the case anymore..

Usually a certain amount of resources and (man hours work of the developers) are set aside for patches even before the game is published. Even the number of 'big' patches is decided before the game comes out.

Unless there's a serious game breaking bug, patches are usually delayed till there are a certain number of issues that need to be resolved to minimize the cost associated with testing and releasing it.

Noren · 03-20-10, 01:15 PM

But why why!?!

For 10 years ago there were mostly addons, not patches. Games are becoming more beautiful at the expense of features/testing/customer support. Modders mod for free, because they love the game and thank god for that. Its really quite tragic.

03-20-10, 12:32 PM	#1
urfisch Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Deep down in Germany Posts: 1,969 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	Patch No. 2 not to be developed...no more Support? This is the question. SH5 seems not to be sold, like they wanted. So the questions appears to me, if there will be no more support on this game. Is there anybody closer to some new info on that? Neal, maybe? In the german forums there are rumors, which say the game is not beeing patched any more... __________________

03-20-10, 12:35 PM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Rumors are not worth the paper they are not printed on. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

03-20-10, 12:37 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yeah, info that is speculative is not much better than not info at all. Let's not spread rumors, shall we? I mean, anyone can say anything right now and it would be about as valid as the opposite. Just wait and see. No sense acting indignant over a bunch of hot air. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-20-10, 12:38 PM	#4
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	What makes you think it's not selling well?... it was number 8 in the UK PC chart last week, no 5 in the German PC chart no 8 on the steam chart and no 2 in the UK D2D chart. The only place it doesn't seem to be selling well is on Amazon because of all the damning DRM comments. Perhaps we should post some more positive comments to balance things up a bit and increase the chances on an SH6. __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

03-20-10, 12:41 PM	#5
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm curious though whether there is some sort of publication agreement stipulated about the number of patches. Notice for example that the previous two games had exactly 3 patches after release (+1 add-on). I know that some major publishers used to limit the number of patches that would be issued for the game before it was even published. Not sure if that is the case anymore. However I would be very surprised if there were no provisions in the contract for this game for post-release support. That's really not how software generally works, so I'd be surprised if it was dropped. Something would have had to gone really, really wrong for that to happen. Honestly, if anything has gone spectacularly wrong so far it's the DRM. If Ubi hasn't dropped the DRM, I would be surprised that they would drop the developers. It's obvious that they're far from desperate at this moment. Anyway, yeah, I don't think there's any hint of it not selling well, to be honest. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-20-10, 12:47 PM	#6
Gunnodayak Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Let this bastard called SH5 die of natural causes.

03-20-10, 12:52 PM	#7
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The lack of feedback is astaunding! Is'nt it commong sense to patch a game ridden with bugs? That way it could save them some dignity for this release. Players are screaming for official word in the other forum and the moderators take notice, but still no word from the official channels.

03-20-10, 12:54 PM	#8
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	Did you read the post above you? If you did, then why do you think that a person who worked night and day on something for over a year would bother to answer anyone's questions when they are greeted with an immature, sophmoric statement like that. JCC

03-20-10, 01:00 PM	#9
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Please add an [Ignorant] or [Rumor] tag to this completely untrue and misleading thread title. __________________

03-20-10, 01:01 PM	#10
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I dont think your post was directed towards me but its a bit to sarcastic for my taste anyway. The devs, ubisoft etc dont reply at all to those questions, no matter how intelligent and fortcoming the actual question is and that ultimately leads to frustrated players. Are you defending their actions? Or their passiveness...

03-20-10, 01:02 PM	#11
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Thought we already had confirmation on 1 or 2 problems to be fixed in the next patch? __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-20-10, 01:05 PM	#12
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	It's true there won't be a second patch, my source just confirmed it. Source: my arse. __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

03-20-10, 01:07 PM	#13
Charlie901 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 413 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well I believe the REAL QUESTION is: Is UbiSoft willing to let the Devs take the neccessary time away from their other project titles to PATCH this game and if so how much time and resources is UbiSoft willing to commit to any forthcomming patches? Dan has said himself, publicly, that he's not happy with the state of this game upon release. So, lets hope UBISoft listens to their customers this time around and lets Dan and the other Devs complete the missing features and properly patch this one, with as much time and patches as needed. Unfortunately, based on UBISoft's past history, regarding SH releases and the fact that each game in the series gets released less complete and more buggy than the previous title, I'm not being overly optomistic at this point.

03-20-10, 01:15 PM	#15
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	But why why!?! For 10 years ago there were mostly addons, not patches. Games are becoming more beautiful at the expense of features/testing/customer support. Modders mod for free, because they love the game and thank god for that. Its really quite tragic.