Who would make the "best" Kaleun?

Henry Wood · 03-11-10, 12:08 PM

And "best" is very subjective. I'm not really looking for definitive answers, more, just thoughts on prospective commanding officers:

Who would make the "best" Kaleun?

Would it be a man who could sit at a periscope (or Uzo!) and check and re-check every one of his own personal calculations then read out correct instructions to the firing party?

Would it be the man who can see what is laid out before him in his binoculars (or periscope) and then gives quick and correct orders based on his observations?

Would it be a man who could take one instant glimpse at a chart and the contents therein then reel off correct course, orders etc., depending on the situation?

OK, look, this is not a serious question at all, but I am a Kaleun who has mighty mental handicaps when it comes to calculating measurements and then the results from AOB, mast heights, target speeds and whatever else I have missed out mentioning.

From what I remember of most U-boot movies I have seen, the commander looks through the periscope then gives off readings to someone else who then gets the results computed and ready for a firing solution. I am very capable of doing this but fall down if expected to give the answers to the questions!

As a result I can no longer hold my head up high when I get all them medals they keep giving me. What shall I do?

frau kaleun · 03-11-10, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Wood

As a result I can no longer hold my head up high when I get all them medals they keep giving me. What shall I do?

Keep your mouth shut and polish your medals. And be really, REALLY nice to your crew.

Henry Wood · 03-11-10, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Keep your mouth shut and polish your medals. And be really, REALLY nice to your crew.

Oh Ja! even so! I not only have excess Brasso (captured from sinking Britisher) but also plenty extra Becks for my most efficient, wunderbar and sometimes most thirsty crew. Perhaps I will study trigonometry on my next leave.

Sailor Steve · 03-11-10, 01:25 PM

The best kaleun is the one who does all of the above and acts like a father to his crew, in both love and discipline.

I let the WE do all the calculating for me. He's supernaturally perfect.

Henry Wood · 03-11-10, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The best kaleun is the one who does all of the above and acts like a father to his crew, in both love and discipline.

I doubt if I shall get a better answer!

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I let the WE do all the calculating for me. He's supernaturally perfect.

Wow! I never, ever knew that long term guys like yourself relied on the WE for results. I always assumed that to be in the "top league" and a "top gun" you had to be a self calculator!

Your reply has made me so much happier and it also makes me feel a little more like a real Kaleun that I am not the only one to use this assistance.

frau kaleun · 03-11-10, 03:15 PM

Rank has its privileges, i.e., somebody else has to do the math.

Truly, though, every commander came up through the ranks just like his 1WO and 2WO are doing under his care and, at least early on, had no doubt spent plenty of time doing all the things that he would then rely on them to do once he was in top spot. So in theory he would have to have acquired those abilities AND considering that in combat anything can happen, including the loss of those you rely on, he'd have to retain proficiency in them.

The biggest thing I see is the multi-tasking aspect - the kaleun has to be aware of EVERYTHING. That he relies on others to provide him with necessary information and assistance is to be expected, he can't be everywhere doing everything. His biggest responsibility IMO is to know how to take that information and assistance and decide what needs to be done and when in any critical situation.

Jimbuna · 03-11-10, 03:35 PM

In the end there can be only one

Sailor Steve · 03-11-10, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Henry Wood

IYour reply has made me so much happier and it also makes me feel a little more like a real Kaleun that I am not the only one to use this assistance.

Glad I could help. The biggest problem is his perfection. It would be nice if his projections were off, and got better with repeated sightings, just as they do if you do it yourself.

Me, I'm just terrible at anything beyond basic math. So it's funny that my daughter teaches High-School level math, and is working on higher degrees.

Paul Riley · 03-11-10, 03:39 PM

For me a good commander is one that chooses the battle on HIS terms and chooses the best course of action for different scenarios,and who never retreats,being constantly aggressive and persistent,harrassing the enemy until they either tire or are destroyed.Another useful trait is a commander that is able to think on his feet and adapt to changing circumstances and is able to adopt new tactics to deal with that.
In a nutshell - initiative,spacial awareness,aggression,persistence,adaptability

Paul Riley · 03-11-10, 03:41 PM

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In the end there can be only one

Love it mate

Sailor Steve · 03-11-10, 03:42 PM

That's Torplexed at his best.

But then, he's always at his best.

Jimbuna · 03-11-10, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Love it mate

Cheers

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

That's Torplexed at his best.

But then, he's always at his best.

Rgr that

Hitman · 03-11-10, 04:15 PM

The best commander is the one who sinks more tonnage and brings his crew back home alive. Period.

Do it by torpedo, gun, dynamite, ramming, or any treacherous mean, no matter how dirty, but sink 'em all and get back home alive

maillemaker · 03-11-10, 04:21 PM

speaking of cartoons, who has Penelope Gray's caricature? I saw it in the GWX tribute movie.

Steve

Sailor Steve · 03-11-10, 04:47 PM

I have a copy, but my PC is in storage at the moment. You'll have to wait, unless someone else can put it up.

03-11-10, 12:08 PM	#1
Henry Wood Sparky Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: UK Posts: 150 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	Who would make the "best" Kaleun? And "best" is very subjective. I'm not really looking for definitive answers, more, just thoughts on prospective commanding officers: Who would make the "best" Kaleun? Would it be a man who could sit at a periscope (or Uzo!) and check and re-check every one of his own personal calculations then read out correct instructions to the firing party? Would it be the man who can see what is laid out before him in his binoculars (or periscope) and then gives quick and correct orders based on his observations? Would it be a man who could take one instant glimpse at a chart and the contents therein then reel off correct course, orders etc., depending on the situation? OK, look, this is not a serious question at all, but I am a Kaleun who has mighty mental handicaps when it comes to calculating measurements and then the results from AOB, mast heights, target speeds and whatever else I have missed out mentioning. From what I remember of most U-boot movies I have seen, the commander looks through the periscope then gives off readings to someone else who then gets the results computed and ready for a firing solution. I am very capable of doing this but fall down if expected to give the answers to the questions! As a result I can no longer hold my head up high when I get all them medals they keep giving me. What shall I do?

03-11-10, 01:25 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	The best kaleun is the one who does all of the above and acts like a father to his crew, in both love and discipline. I let the WE do all the calculating for me. He's supernaturally perfect. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-11-10, 03:35 PM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	In the end there can be only one __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-11-10, 03:39 PM	#9
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	For me a good commander is one that chooses the battle on HIS terms and chooses the best course of action for different scenarios,and who never retreats,being constantly aggressive and persistent,harrassing the enemy until they either tire or are destroyed.Another useful trait is a commander that is able to think on his feet and adapt to changing circumstances and is able to adopt new tactics to deal with that. In a nutshell - initiative,spacial awareness,aggression,persistence,adaptability __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes Last edited by Paul Riley; 03-12-10 at 10:11 AM.

03-11-10, 03:42 PM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	That's Torplexed at his best. But then, he's always at his best. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-11-10, 03:15 PM	#6
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	Rank has its privileges, i.e., somebody else has to do the math. Truly, though, every commander came up through the ranks just like his 1WO and 2WO are doing under his care and, at least early on, had no doubt spent plenty of time doing all the things that he would then rely on them to do once he was in top spot. So in theory he would have to have acquired those abilities AND considering that in combat anything can happen, including the loss of those you rely on, he'd have to retain proficiency in them. The biggest thing I see is the multi-tasking aspect - the kaleun has to be aware of EVERYTHING. That he relies on others to provide him with necessary information and assistance is to be expected, he can't be everywhere doing everything. His biggest responsibility IMO is to know how to take that information and assistance and decide what needs to be done and when in any critical situation.

03-11-10, 04:15 PM	#13
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	The best commander is the one who sinks more tonnage and brings his crew back home alive. Period. Do it by torpedo, gun, dynamite, ramming, or any treacherous mean, no matter how dirty, but sink 'em all and get back home alive __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

03-11-10, 04:21 PM	#14
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	speaking of cartoons, who has Penelope Gray's caricature? I saw it in the GWX tribute movie. Steve

03-11-10, 04:47 PM	#15
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I have a copy, but my PC is in storage at the moment. You'll have to wait, unless someone else can put it up. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo