All of us are using "DRM", it's called "Windows Product Activation."

Ships-R-Us · 03-06-10, 04:44 PM

DRM and the Future

Consider one last example of a protection method which has been subject to similar levels of hysteria and misinformation, and which every legitimate Windows user has installed on their system right now: Windows Product Activation. It was introduced in 2001 as part of Windows XP despite massive opposition, and again in 2007 in Windows Vista, and once again to be included in Windows 7 in the near future. If it's been a failure in protecting Windows against casual piracy, then Microsoft certainly hasn't shown any signs of dropping it. Back in 2001, sensationalist articles such as this one not only proclaimed this feature to be 'fiendish' and that it would allow Bill Gates to "...spy on your machine", they also called it "a step too far". Suffice it to say that all these years later, product activation has been proven not to be spyware, is not overly problematic, and the various fantastic scenarios people cooked up to somehow suggest we'd be activating our machines every second day and eventually being locked out of them for no good reason have all been debunked. The truth is that it works just fine, Microsoft still has an almost 90% market share with their Windows OSes, and users have become completely used to Windows Activation; all the hysteria and lies regarding it were proven completely false in the end.

I believe that responsible companys of worthy character that use "DRM" technology are not spying on peoples machines.

kylania · 03-06-10, 04:50 PM

Windows Product Activation is fine. You do it once and you're done. You're not treated like a criminal and forced to constantly prove you didn't steal the software by being online without interruption while you play a single player game. Comparing OSP and WPA is the definition of apples and oranges.

If SH5 had required me to be online once to activate the product, NO PROBLEM. But if it forces me to be online constantly, overwrites my saves because of synch issues, doesn't let me play because their servers are having problems and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM.

Deputy · 03-06-10, 04:54 PM

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

remowilliams · 03-06-10, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylania

[...] and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM.

Exactly.

Easy Tiger · 03-06-10, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kylania

Windows Product Activation is fine. You do it once and you're done. You're not treated like a criminal and forced to constantly prove you didn't steal the software by being online without interruption while you play a single player game. Comparing OSP and WPA is the definition of apples and oranges.

If SH5 had required me to be online once to activate the product, NO PROBLEM. But if it forces me to be online constantly, overwrites my saves because of synch issues, doesn't let me play because their servers are having problems and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM.

Can't say it any better than this. You're comparing apples and oranges.

swuboo · 03-06-10, 05:16 PM

Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.

nvrsummer2 · 03-06-10, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

End of debate...

Nisgeis · 03-06-10, 05:18 PM

Come on people it's time to move on. Consult your subsim manuals and you'll find on page 196, section iii, subsection c, the rules for a new release, which this situation is, clearly states that we should be past the DRM complaints and analogies stage and firmly onto the OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? submissions and rebuttals stage. All those who picked the white buttons are pro game and all those with the black buttons are anti-game. If you don't have a button, then you got missed off the PM, so send a request off to be assigned your button and you'll know whether you are pro game or anti game. Remember, subsection d details what to do if you get a red button - you have to be anti game, but state clearly you haven't played it, yet still maintain an air of authority about it without a trace of self doubt or even a hint that you know how ridiculous that position is (I know it's a tough one to pull off, but next release you'll get a new button, so this is only for this release).

Remember, the best performance for those with a red button will receive the 'Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf' torphy for excellence.

Flopper · 03-06-10, 05:26 PM

To activate Windows, it need happen only once, and an internet connection is not required at all, ever, including the activation.

Ships-R-Us · 03-06-10, 05:33 PM

I missed out on the "pm" that issued the buttons. I would like a white button. My manual has subsection C missing. It appears that I was issued a used manual and the previous owner tore out the pages for subsection C.............Any help on getting a white button is appreciated.

Kromus · 03-06-10, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

This...

HundertzehnGustav · 03-06-10, 05:55 PM

OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!?

Nordmann · 03-06-10, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

Ah, a simple sentence, which nevertheless manages to sum up the entire debate. Bravo sir, bravo indeed.

TarJak · 03-06-10, 06:16 PM

Not sure what the OP's point is meant to be by creating this thread, but DRM on the whole is not an issue for me. I am not concernd

OSP as a form of DRM is. It prevents me playing the game when I have most time to do so, i.e, when travelling and usually out of touch with the internet.

The biggest problem with all DRM scheme's is that they simply don't do what they set out to do, unless their stated aim is to delay copyright violations, which in the case of OSP and SHV appears it didn't do anyway.

@Nisgeis:

Nice post!

tater · 03-06-10, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

This. Epic OP fail.

PS—Where are you in NM, deputy?

03-06-10, 04:44 PM	#1
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	All of us are using "DRM", it's called "Windows Product Activation." DRM and the Future Consider one last example of a protection method which has been subject to similar levels of hysteria and misinformation, and which every legitimate Windows user has installed on their system right now: Windows Product Activation. It was introduced in 2001 as part of Windows XP despite massive opposition, and again in 2007 in Windows Vista, and once again to be included in Windows 7 in the near future. If it's been a failure in protecting Windows against casual piracy, then Microsoft certainly hasn't shown any signs of dropping it. Back in 2001, sensationalist articles such as this one not only proclaimed this feature to be 'fiendish' and that it would allow Bill Gates to "...spy on your machine", they also called it "a step too far". Suffice it to say that all these years later, product activation has been proven not to be spyware, is not overly problematic, and the various fantastic scenarios people cooked up to somehow suggest we'd be activating our machines every second day and eventually being locked out of them for no good reason have all been debunked. The truth is that it works just fine, Microsoft still has an almost 90% market share with their Windows OSes, and users have become completely used to Windows Activation; all the hysteria and lies regarding it were proven completely false in the end. I believe that responsible companys of worthy character that use "DRM" technology are not spying on peoples machines.

03-06-10, 04:50 PM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Windows Product Activation is fine. You do it once and you're done. You're not treated like a criminal and forced to constantly prove you didn't steal the software by being online without interruption while you play a single player game. Comparing OSP and WPA is the definition of apples and oranges. If SH5 had required me to be online once to activate the product, NO PROBLEM. But if it forces me to be online constantly, overwrites my saves because of synch issues, doesn't let me play because their servers are having problems and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM. __________________

03-06-10, 05:18 PM	#8
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	Come on people it's time to move on. Consult your subsim manuals and you'll find on page 196, section iii, subsection c, the rules for a new release, which this situation is, clearly states that we should be past the DRM complaints and analogies stage and firmly onto the OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? submissions and rebuttals stage. All those who picked the white buttons are pro game and all those with the black buttons are anti-game. If you don't have a button, then you got missed off the PM, so send a request off to be assigned your button and you'll know whether you are pro game or anti game. Remember, subsection d details what to do if you get a red button - you have to be anti game, but state clearly you haven't played it, yet still maintain an air of authority about it without a trace of self doubt or even a hint that you know how ridiculous that position is (I know it's a tough one to pull off, but next release you'll get a new button, so this is only for this release). Remember, the best performance for those with a red button will receive the 'Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf' torphy for excellence. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

03-06-10, 05:26 PM	#9
Flopper Weps Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Asheville, NC, USA Posts: 356 Downloads: 107 Uploads: 0	To activate Windows, it need happen only once, and an internet connection is not required at all, ever, including the activation. __________________

03-06-10, 05:55 PM	#12
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

03-06-10, 04:54 PM	#3
Deputy Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 344 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

03-06-10, 05:16 PM	#6
swuboo Bosun Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 66 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.

03-06-10, 05:33 PM	#10
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	I missed out on the "pm" that issued the buttons. I would like a white button. My manual has subsection C missing. It appears that I was issued a used manual and the previous owner tore out the pages for subsection C.............Any help on getting a white button is appreciated.

03-06-10, 06:16 PM	#14
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Not sure what the OP's point is meant to be by creating this thread, but DRM on the whole is not an issue for me. I am not concernd OSP as a form of DRM is. It prevents me playing the game when I have most time to do so, i.e, when travelling and usually out of touch with the internet. The biggest problem with all DRM scheme's is that they simply don't do what they set out to do, unless their stated aim is to delay copyright violations, which in the case of OSP and SHV appears it didn't do anyway. @Nisgeis: Nice post!