A Message To All of the Members of this Forum

Das Gespenst · 01-22-10, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John Channing

I've been a member of this forum since 1997, since the very beginning. I started as a poster, moved (briefly) through modding, became a contributor, staff writer and finally a moderator. I have lived through the Fast Attack, 688i, Sub Command, Fleet Command, Dangerous Waters, Sh2, Sh3 and SH4 wars. As heated as the discussions got ( and yes... I was right in the middle there from time to time) the one thing that always struck me was that most of the members here were able to discuss matters with a level of respect for each other and the people who enable our hobby/passion.

Lately that seems to be missing.

So I would like to remind everyone that one of the things that makes this forum popular is the level of maturity and civility that is not common on many other forums. Whether you like a game, like SH5, or not; maybe you're worried about this or that feature, maybe you are unhappy or overjoyed with the way the game is shaping up: discussions here should be reasonable and intelligent. Say what you want, but let's avoid overblown rants and tantrums.

Please keep in this mind when you are discussing issues here.

Thanks

JCC

I agree with you sir. I have been browsing many forums for a long time and this one is one of the best!

Ships-R-Us · 01-22-10, 08:08 PM

2 days ago I refused to view any SH5 forums for that reason. It made my blood boil and took up 26% of all posts. I am happy in the other forums learning constructive things such as politics.......
I "10-4" that John.

capthelm · 01-22-10, 08:19 PM

totally agree here enough of the ranting trolling in here.

start to think positive on sh5..

JScones · 01-22-10, 08:43 PM

You know, comments like "SH5 will be the most awesomeness thing ever" don't bother me. Comments like "SH5 will be the worst thing ever in the history of the universe" don't bother me (and I hate hyperbole - all credibility disappears whenever I read such comments). But what does bother me are "Your opinion is wrong and thus you are an idiot because whilst I haven't seen the game I know I am righter than you" comments...regardless of whether the maker of said comments is in the "positive" or "negative" camp.

Next to no-one here has seen the game, so how can anyone judge the game, either way to empower them enough to tell others that their opposing view is wrong?

Fine to opine...but when it comes at the expense of personally ridiculing others (and that includes "STFU and stop whining" comments), I think it's a bit rich.

IanC · 01-22-10, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by capthelm

totally agree here enough of the ranting trolling in here.

start to think positive on sh5..

I've realized in life some people actually get energy from negativity, while for most others, it just drains us.
The encouragement toward bashing a game that's not out yet and/or the spreading of silly rumors (like the no rough seas one) is a real head scratcher for me.

Like I said, some people just enjoy doing it I guess.

SteamWake · 01-22-10, 10:36 PM

Good post JC ... will it help... well lets hope so.

JScones · 01-22-10, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by IanC

I've realized in life some people actually get energy from negativity, while for most others, it just drains us.
The encouragement toward bashing a game that's not out yet and/or the spreading of silly rumors (like the no rough seas one) is a real head scratcher for me.

Like I said, some people just enjoy doing it I guess.

I don't think Webster was maliciously intending to spread a silly rumour about there being no rough seas. I think it was an honest belief. He may have misread, forgotten, who knows, but to imply that it was a deliberate attempt at spreading a silly rumour is a real head scratcher for me, IMHO of course.

IanC · 01-22-10, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JScones

I don't think Webster was maliciously intending to spread a silly rumour about there being no rough seas. I think it was an honest belief. He may have misread, forgotten, who knows, but to imply that it was a deliberate attempt at spreading a silly rumour is a real head scratcher for me, IMHO of course.

Actually I had you in mind, not Webster. Nice attempt to twist yet another post around (I've seen it many times from you). IMHO of course.

JScones · 01-22-10, 10:54 PM

Me???!!! Where I have I said it?

The only time I referred to it was post #15 here... in response to Webster's post #5!

Indeed, if you then read post #26 and #29 here, you'll see I certainly wasn't spreading such a rumour!

Seems someone is seeing things through prejudiced glasses.

IanC · 01-22-10, 10:59 PM

Right, #29 is a perfect example. Thanks for proving my point.

JScones · 01-22-10, 11:05 PM

How do you get me spreading silly rumours from a comment like:

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Well, Webster said he read somewhere something about rough seas not being modelled...but I guess unless he can produce a link, then it was never said. I couldn't find anything similar in the Q&A thread.

I'm not gonna speculate - like many people I assumed "Operation Drumbeat" to also mean the inclusion of Type IX U-boats...how wrong that was, LOL!

Where did I say that there will be no rough seas? I said Webster mentioned it, and I couldn't find anything to confim it! In fact, my post was to down play his statement until he provided proof (if any existed)! I specifically said that I wasn't speculating!

Funny that you think my post is spreading rumours when Webster's original one:

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i think you can forget anything past normal weather.

they said ther wont be any rough sea conditions in sh5 so that should mean no blizards but matbe just heavy snow is the limit

they did say cold weather effects your boat and crew so icing up of equipt. and such should be in the game

and subsequent one:

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i cant find the link to it but in an interview a question was asked about if we could have trouble using the periscope in rough weather conditions and the answer was something to the effect of we dont have seas that get that rough in sh5.

so i have no firm specific statement on it but by the reference and no video of boats in rough seas (which is a big "wow man thats cool" factor that they would want to show) then i have to go with the implication of no rough stormy seas untill i see or hear something different about it.

it sounds impossible they would do that but so did the idea of a 1 sub sh5 game

goes uncommented by you.

Man, I know you have a beef with me, but geez, take the prejudice glasses off just for one second!

IanC · 01-22-10, 11:08 PM

I stand corrected about your link, the post that proves my point is #26 not 29.
I think I've wasted just about enough time with you on this.

Onkel Neal · 01-22-10, 11:10 PM

Back on topic, please.

THE_MASK · 01-22-10, 11:11 PM

I cannot see any problem with general banter as long as its to do with SH5 and no personal insults. Where have you seen a problem ? Theres a lack of good info on SH5 so its only natural that people make stuff up if there is no real info .

JScones · 01-22-10, 11:11 PM

Sigh, I still challenge you to find one post where I said, overtly and clearly, that there would be no rough seas modelled.

Seems you can make foundless claims, but struggle to back them up.

Sorry Neal, you'll see I didn't start the finger pointing here, and I certainly will defend false claims laid against me!

01-22-10, 08:19 PM	#3
capthelm Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 522 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	totally agree here enough of the ranting trolling in here. start to think positive on sh5.. __________________ "One torpedo ... one ship" my SH5 lighting mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkM5k8SXpWo my SH5 audio mod http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIN5RHeL8B8

01-22-10, 10:36 PM	#6
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Good post JC ... will it help... well lets hope so. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

01-22-10, 11:10 PM	#13
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Back on topic, please. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

01-22-10, 08:08 PM	#2
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	2 days ago I refused to view any SH5 forums for that reason. It made my blood boil and took up 26% of all posts. I am happy in the other forums learning constructive things such as politics....... I "10-4" that John.

01-22-10, 08:43 PM	#4
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	You know, comments like "SH5 will be the most awesomeness thing ever" don't bother me. Comments like "SH5 will be the worst thing ever in the history of the universe" don't bother me (and I hate hyperbole - all credibility disappears whenever I read such comments). But what does bother me are "Your opinion is wrong and thus you are an idiot because whilst I haven't seen the game I know I am righter than you" comments...regardless of whether the maker of said comments is in the "positive" or "negative" camp. Next to no-one here has seen the game, so how can anyone judge the game, either way to empower them enough to tell others that their opposing view is wrong? Fine to opine...but when it comes at the expense of personally ridiculing others (and that includes "STFU and stop whining" comments), I think it's a bit rich.

01-22-10, 10:54 PM	#9
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Me???!!! Where I have I said it? The only time I referred to it was post #15 here... in response to Webster's post #5! Indeed, if you then read post #26 and #29 here, you'll see I certainly wasn't spreading such a rumour! Seems someone is seeing things through prejudiced glasses.

01-22-10, 10:59 PM	#10
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Right, #29 is a perfect example. Thanks for proving my point.

01-22-10, 11:08 PM	#12
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I stand corrected about your link, the post that proves my point is #26 not 29. I think I've wasted just about enough time with you on this.

01-22-10, 11:11 PM	#14
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I cannot see any problem with general banter as long as its to do with SH5 and no personal insults. Where have you seen a problem ? Theres a lack of good info on SH5 so its only natural that people make stuff up if there is no real info .