What happens if you sink a neutral ship in GWX 3.0?

Rangoon · 01-28-10, 05:27 PM

If I sink an unlit ship which is flying the flag of Norway in October 1939 (they become Allies in Sept. 1940), am I penalized? At what point do I know something is wrong - not until after the mission is over and I'm back in port?

Thanks!

psykopatsak · 01-28-10, 05:33 PM

i almost think negative renown, but im not sure at all, so dont go by my answer. just dotn sink the neutrals, and be an honorable kaleun.

Task Force · 01-28-10, 05:34 PM

you looser reown, and said ships country is at war with you for... 24hrs I think...

Sailor Steve · 01-28-10, 05:34 PM

Same as the stock game - you will lose the same renown you would have won had the ship been an enemy. If it's worth 230 renown, that's how much you will lose.

Laufen zum Ziel · 01-28-10, 05:55 PM

Bad thing is you will have everyone in the world trying to kill you.

Rangoon · 01-28-10, 06:14 PM

I almost sunk the Norwegian ship, but just as I was about to fire the torpedo I was able to *just barely* make out the flag (this was around midnight). I'd been tracking the ship four 4 hours (game time) and set up a perfect 90-degree shot, had the unlit ship coming to zero degrees gyro when I just spotted the faint cross and then saw some color and the whole crew let out a sigh of disappointment.

So why are they running without lights? They're *asking* to be sunk!

The same ship 11 months later would be fair game, but I assume the "Flaggen" tool in GWX has accurate dates for neutrality and allegiance.

Oh well. At least I didn't fire. Door was open, finger on the trigger, straining to see the flag before he came to zero degrees on the gyro.

What a ride though!

Tweety · 01-28-10, 06:19 PM

This brings a question to my mind.

If the neutral ship is unlit and in a convoy. Is it still a neutral that cost renown against you or is fair game.

I'm thinking if a neutral ship is lit in a convoy, then it is neutral. But if the ship is unlit in a convoy than it is the enemy and deserves to be sunk.

Tweety

Sailor Steve · 01-28-10, 06:19 PM

I forgot about the 'enemy' part. Yes, if you sink a neutral (or friendly), that nation considers you an enemy for 24 hours.

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So why are they running without lights? They're *asking* to be sunk!

Because in the stock game there were no lighted ships at all. They were created for a mod and ended up in GWX, so some are lighted and some are not, just like real life.

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The same ship 11 months later would be fair game, but I assume the "Flaggen" tool in GWX has accurate dates for neutrality and allegiance.

That's absolutely correct.

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Oh well. At least I didn't fire. Door was open, finger on the trigger, straining to see the flag before he came to zero degrees on the gyro.

What a ride though!

I know that feeling well, and yes it is quite the experience.

unterseemann · 01-28-10, 06:31 PM

I sank a panamean tanker in convoy, unlit, bad visibility in feb 1941. negative renown ( patrol renown was around only 100pts ...

) but i can live with it and think i was right to do that

KL-alfman · 01-28-10, 06:59 PM

in my current career an US-vessel was hit by me in spring 1941.
had very foggy sight and guns at stern and midships were enough for me to consider her "enemy". I then recognized my big mistake and hurried away. she had probably sunk but I was out of range already!
pheewww that was close

Obltn Strand · 01-28-10, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweety

This brings a question to my mind.

If the neutral ship is unlit and in a convoy. Is it still a neutral that cost renown against you or is fair game.

I'm thinking if a neutral ship is lit in a convoy, then it is neutral. But if the ship is unlit in a convoy than it is the enemy and deserves to be sunk.

Tweety

With GWX 3,0 I attacked a convoy early in war sailing near british coast. I scored two hits on a large cargo which sinked of course. All ships were darkened and escorted. When I returned to base in my horror I noticed that had sinked some 7000 tons of neutral shipping. It was only ship I had sunked during patrol. Anyway got positive renown for it.

Happened to me only once.
Any similar incidents?

Rangoon · 01-28-10, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Obltn Strand

Anyway got positive renown for it.

You got positive renown for sinking the unlit neutral ships within a convoy? Or your net renown for the patrol was positive?

And I think this answers my question - you may not know whether what you sunk was neutral until you get back to port, right?

And thirdly, neutral ships escorted by Allied ships in a convoy are still neutral?

01-28-10, 11:57 PM

If you sink a hospital ship in GWX your career will end and you will be shot when you return to base. No kidding.

Obltn Strand · 01-29-10, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rangoon

You got positive renown for sinking the unlit neutral ships within a convoy? Or your net renown for the patrol was positive?

During that patrol I sinked only one ship which was neutral. I got positive renown.

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Originally Posted by Rangoon

And I think this answers my question - you may not know whether what you sunk was neutral until you get back to port, right?

Or pressing Esc

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Originally Posted by Rangoon

And thirdly, neutral ships escorted by Allied ships in a convoy are still neutral?

After docking to port final scores showed it neutral.

It was about year ago. But I'm pretty sure I remember the situation correctly. I wasn't looking any flags because it was radio reported enemy convoy.
Be more agressive they say.

Obltn Strand · 02-12-10, 12:33 PM

Time to cut wings from this rumour.

I sinked following ships:

Large Cargo 7441 tons
Modern Tanker 8816 tons (Neutral, sailing in enemy convoy)
Modern Tanker 8814 tons
Large Merchant 11 041 tons (to BillCar: hit from 3800m, confirmed, give or take some 10m. Doesn't beat your 4000m but close enough)
Whale Factory Ship 12 016
Coastal Freighter 1870
Empire-type Freighter 7401
S-class Submarine 767

Hull Integrity 94,69%
Total renown: 1510

Now if someone would tell me how to count renown in GWX3 so I can get this over with.

Or even better. Do the math for me so I can concentrate on my friday night patrolling

01-28-10, 05:27 PM	#1
Rangoon A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 72 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	What happens if you sink a neutral ship in GWX 3.0? If I sink an unlit ship which is flying the flag of Norway in October 1939 (they become Allies in Sept. 1940), am I penalized? At what point do I know something is wrong - not until after the mission is over and I'm back in port? Thanks!

01-28-10, 05:34 PM	#3
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	you looser reown, and said ships country is at war with you for... 24hrs I think... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

01-28-10, 05:34 PM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Same as the stock game - you will lose the same renown you would have won had the ship been an enemy. If it's worth 230 renown, that's how much you will lose. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-28-10, 05:55 PM	#5
Laufen zum Ziel Eternal Patrol Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Hiding on the bottom Posts: 1,783 Downloads: 853 Uploads: 457	Bad thing is you will have everyone in the world trying to kill you. __________________ RIP Laufen zum Ziel

01-28-10, 06:31 PM	#9
unterseemann Soundman Join Date: May 2005 Location: lyon, france Posts: 144 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	I sank a panamean tanker in convoy, unlit, bad visibility in feb 1941. negative renown ( patrol renown was around only 100pts ...) but i can live with it and think i was right to do that __________________

01-28-10, 05:33 PM	#2
psykopatsak Medic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Grid AO27 Posts: 161 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	i almost think negative renown, but im not sure at all, so dont go by my answer. just dotn sink the neutrals, and be an honorable kaleun.

01-28-10, 06:14 PM	#6
Rangoon A-ganger Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 72 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I almost sunk the Norwegian ship, but just as I was about to fire the torpedo I was able to just barely make out the flag (this was around midnight). I'd been tracking the ship four 4 hours (game time) and set up a perfect 90-degree shot, had the unlit ship coming to zero degrees gyro when I just spotted the faint cross and then saw some color and the whole crew let out a sigh of disappointment. So why are they running without lights? They're asking to be sunk! The same ship 11 months later would be fair game, but I assume the "Flaggen" tool in GWX has accurate dates for neutrality and allegiance. Oh well. At least I didn't fire. Door was open, finger on the trigger, straining to see the flag before he came to zero degrees on the gyro. What a ride though!

01-28-10, 06:19 PM	#7
Tweety Planesman Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 188 Downloads: 157 Uploads: 0	This brings a question to my mind. If the neutral ship is unlit and in a convoy. Is it still a neutral that cost renown against you or is fair game. I'm thinking if a neutral ship is lit in a convoy, then it is neutral. But if the ship is unlit in a convoy than it is the enemy and deserves to be sunk. Tweety

01-28-10, 06:59 PM	#10
KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	in my current career an US-vessel was hit by me in spring 1941. had very foggy sight and guns at stern and midships were enough for me to consider her "enemy". I then recognized my big mistake and hurried away. she had probably sunk but I was out of range already! pheewww that was close __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

01-28-10, 11:57 PM	#13
Randomizer Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If you sink a hospital ship in GWX your career will end and you will be shot when you return to base. No kidding.

02-12-10, 12:33 PM	#15
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Time to cut wings from this rumour. I sinked following ships: Large Cargo 7441 tons Modern Tanker 8816 tons (Neutral, sailing in enemy convoy) Modern Tanker 8814 tons Large Merchant 11 041 tons (to BillCar: hit from 3800m, confirmed, give or take some 10m. Doesn't beat your 4000m but close enough) Whale Factory Ship 12 016 Coastal Freighter 1870 Empire-type Freighter 7401 S-class Submarine 767 Hull Integrity 94,69% Total renown: 1510 Now if someone would tell me how to count renown in GWX3 so I can get this over with. Or even better. Do the math for me so I can concentrate on my friday night patrolling