why? das boot question

fromhell · 02-05-10, 12:22 AM

last night watched once again, das boot, and my question is, when captain goes to attack destroyer he goes into conning tower,and users the periscope in there while calling out his commands, yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is. why the difference?

02-05-10, 12:25 AM

because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images.

thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt.

it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

fromhell · 02-05-10, 12:27 AM

but why have 2 periscope stations?

IanC · 02-05-10, 12:30 AM

Das Boot does it right doesn't it? Type 7 had the attack scope in the tower.

IanC · 02-05-10, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by fromhell

but why have 2 periscope stations?

2nd scope is the observation one.

02-05-10, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by IanC

2nd scope is the observation one.

the observation scope gives you a better upward view so its often used to check for planes before surfacing

fromhell · 02-05-10, 12:42 AM

so the video of uboat captains in the command room with periscope and attacking would be type IX, correct?

IanC · 02-05-10, 12:49 AM

Check this out http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-ix.shtml
Some type IXs had three scopes with one in the control room, others had two, both in the tower.

karamazovnew · 02-05-10, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fromhell

so the video of uboat captains in the command room with periscope and attacking would be type IX, correct?

During the stormy DD attack, the Captain uses the Attack Periscope in the Conning Tower. It's the big shaft with a seat. The boat is a Type VII-C. You can clearly see that the Observation Scope is in the Control Room, at around minute 24 when Werner is shown around the boat, he takes a picture of a crew member siting near the periscope.

The attack scope was better suited for an attack as it was more stable, smaller and had better instruments and markings. Also, most Observation scopes did not have a high magnification feature. On some of them you couldn't even see the bearing.

Later during the war the Observation scope became more and more advanced, as a backup in case the primary was damaged. Plus, having 2 sets of eyes scanning for ships is more efficient. That must be why they moved it to the conning tower.

Anyway, thread should be moved here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show....php?p=1185023

fromhell · 02-05-10, 01:17 AM

thanks every one. very informative. you people certainly know your stuff.
will you be modding sh5?

arnesw · 02-06-10, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Webster

because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images.

thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt.

it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

02-06-10, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by arnesw

Yeah, that was a really useful answer. For the VIIC type sub that is portrayed in Das Boot, the captains attack station is in the conning tower. Did you read the book? I know it's got letters and stuff, but I'm sure you can make it if you try.

Real sub commanders I know commend the movie for being pretty accurate, but of course - what do they know as opposed to you - a serious sub simmer!

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

karamazovnew · 02-06-10, 03:21 AM

Das Boot is more accurate than the propaganda videos you've seen. To answer this part: "yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is", you have to remember that the Conning tower is very crowded. During an attack, the cameraman would not have any room. Plus the standard procedure was to close the tower hatch and throw an oily rag at the cameraman if he bothered the crew during life and death situations

As to Webster's post, there have been many annoying questions (not like this one) about why some MODS didn't behave like some saw in Das Boot. That was annoying indeed and sparked fury against an otherwise superb movie.

arnesw · 02-06-10, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Webster

and you feel its perfectly fine to be rude to another member of this community, why?

Because I read you original answer as rude and unhelpful. Although I see my reply was over the top, and I apologize.

d@rk51d3 · 02-06-10, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by arnesw

Because I read you original answer as rude and unhelpful.

x2

Glad it's all sorted now though.

02-05-10, 12:22 AM	#1
fromhell Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the deep Posts: 251 Downloads: 217 Uploads: 7	why? das boot question last night watched once again, das boot, and my question is, when captain goes to attack destroyer he goes into conning tower,and users the periscope in there while calling out his commands, yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is. why the difference?

02-05-10, 12:25 AM	#2
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	because das boot isnt anything but a movie with unreal stufff in it to make pretty screen images. thats why many serious sub simmers get upset when people keep holding das boot up as some realism guide when it isnt. it does a better job then most sub movies but its still just a movie and not real

02-05-10, 12:27 AM	#3
fromhell Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the deep Posts: 251 Downloads: 217 Uploads: 7	but why have 2 periscope stations?

02-05-10, 12:30 AM	#4
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Das Boot does it right doesn't it? Type 7 had the attack scope in the tower.

02-05-10, 12:42 AM	#7
fromhell Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the deep Posts: 251 Downloads: 217 Uploads: 7	so the video of uboat captains in the command room with periscope and attacking would be type IX, correct?

02-05-10, 12:49 AM	#8
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Check this out http://www.uboataces.com/uboat-type-ix.shtml Some type IXs had three scopes with one in the control room, others had two, both in the tower.

02-05-10, 01:17 AM	#10
fromhell Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: the deep Posts: 251 Downloads: 217 Uploads: 7	thanks every one. very informative. you people certainly know your stuff. will you be modding sh5?

02-06-10, 03:21 AM	#13
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	Das Boot is more accurate than the propaganda videos you've seen. To answer this part: "yet when i see video of uboats attacking etc the captain uses the periscope in the command room where the navigator is", you have to remember that the Conning tower is very crowded. During an attack, the cameraman would not have any room. Plus the standard procedure was to close the tower hatch and throw an oily rag at the cameraman if he bothered the crew during life and death situations As to Webster's post, there have been many annoying questions (not like this one) about why some MODS didn't behave like some saw in Das Boot. That was annoying indeed and sparked fury against an otherwise superb movie.