RUM-139 VL-Asroc

[toonsis]

Are the Lockheed Martin (Loral) RUM-139 VL-Asroc on the real Perry Class Frigates ?

What a help they would be in this sim

[ASWnut101]

No, they are not carried on the FFG, nor have they ever been. And, since the Navy removed the Mk-13 launchers from all of the Perry FFGs, they no longer carry any type of missiles except what can be fired from the embarked helicopter.

I reckon that, if they did eventually carry ASROCs, they would be able to extend the frigate's ASW reach, but that's what they have the helicopter for anyway.

[toonsis]

I did some research ,your right, they really are all about the helo. Even the radar and sonar and not of high class. I suppose if you team a Perry with a Burke you get all you need

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by ASWnut101

I reckon that, if they did eventually carry ASROCs, they would be able to extend the frigate's ASW reach, but that's what they have the helicopter for anyway.

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

Yeah and as the the playable Udaloy shows, having 2 helo's + asroc's is a mighty deadly combination.
The frigate in comparison seems a little shall we say lightweight.

[toonsis]

I would use the asroc first and the helo second if I had the choice. I wish the designers had made it possible as a load out the same way the SH-60 was slightly changed for this sim

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

The ASROC's get weapons on target alot faster than a helicopter though.

Not if that target is 75 nm away, say a snorting smoke boat detected in the 3rd CZ...

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Not if that target is 75 nm away, say a snorting smoke boat detected in the 3rd CZ...

Well if the helo is remote controlled from the frigate you're still hampered by the distance.
Any more than 20 nm and you lose control of the helo. So in this case you would have to use human controlled helicopters.
This is my only remaining pet peve with the frigate, the maximum radius you can project your helos is very small (20 nm and thats it). It should be way more extended, around 50-60 nm maybe to be effective in ASW operations.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Well if the helo is remote controlled from the frigate you're still hampered by the distance.
Any more than 20 nm and you lose control of the helo. So in this case you would have to use human controlled helicopters.
This is my only remaining pet peve with the frigate, the maximum radius you can project your helos is very small (20 nm and thats it). It should be way more extended, around 50-60 nm maybe to be effective in ASW operations.

All the more reason to play multi-player, otherwise the Seahawk is just a gloryfied DASH drone. But the remote link range limit is a LOS issue so unless someone shrinks the Earth noing is going to change.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

All the more reason to play multi-player, otherwise the Seahawk is just a gloryfied DASH drone. But the remote link range limit is a LOS issue so unless someone shrinks the Earth noing is going to change.

Well it seems the RA mod team has decided to increase the operational distance of remote controlled helicopters up to 50 nm. And without shrinking the Earth.
This is going to be very very interesting because mission designers won't have to put enemy subs at close range of the frigate/s. And it makes the frigates a much deadlier platform in being able to project ASW assets that far.
Finally little by little the frigates are fulfilling their true potential in this game.

[suBB]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Well it seems the RA mod team has decided to increase the operational distance of remote controlled helicopters up to 50 nm. And without shrinking the Earth.
This is going to be very very interesting because mission designers won't have to put enemy subs at close range of the frigate/s. And it makes the frigates a much deadlier platform in being able to project ASW assets that far.
Finally little by little the frigates are fulfilling their true potential in this game.

Whoa, man... that's ****ing fantastic news to hear Goldorak..

And yes, at a glance, that does change things (for the positive) from a MP objective mission design POV. I think(in theory) that could definitely contribute to the MP dynamics quite a bit, making what was already non-linear, even more non-linear I love it!! Been reading about the new Vic 2-3 hulls and stats.. sounds awesome!!

Someone please tap me on the hull when this mod is finally finished.. sounds like they are still working on it

happy holidays,

suBB

[Kapitan]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Yeah and as the the playable Udaloy shows, having 2 helo's + asroc's is a mighty deadly combination.
The frigate in comparison seems a little shall we say lightweight.

Might be because the Udaloy is a DDG while the perry (used to be FFG) now can only really be classed as FF, i wouldnt even class it as a fast frigate anyway 29 knots when the british type 23 does 32knots? and has guided missiles.

Problems with the perry loosing the MK13 now is realistically it cant operate on its own in an area where there is the potential for air threats, with the SM2 gone it can only rely on CIWS and monouvering to remain alive and against a half decent air force it wouldnt last long to be honest.

The perry is a great ASW platform but if its going into a war zone would definatly need a burke for ASuW support.

If you notice the british type 22 and 23 all have sea wolf sea dart ect missiles for self defence which means they can in theory operate alone, however as used to great success in the falklands a type 22 would be teamed with a type 42 for maximum coverage both AAW ASuW and ASW.

As well as Udaloy is should work in pair with Udaloy-II or Sovremenny.
In view of absence it is enough effective SSM missile.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by -GrayOwl-

As well as Udaloy is should work in pair with Udaloy-II or Sovremenny.
In view of absence it is enough effective SSM missile.

Yes and no.
The Udaloy even without any kind of ASM is still more heavily armored than the FFG.
And its cannon has a range which is double that of the frigate (20 nm vs 10 nm).
So in a direct confrontation the probability that the Udaloy sinks the FFG through cannon fire all the while sustaining missile hits from the frigate is very high.

[Kapitan]

The udaloy isnt really geared up for ASUW and yeah would require a sovremenny or something of the sort (slava kresta or kirov) but the fact is the udaloy has the ability to defend itself against ASM's while the perry doesnt (ok it has CIWS) the perry wouldnt be able to come with 4 or 5 missiles incoming (supersonic ones) it would be too quick for the CIWS and it wouldnt be able to target them if they were coming head on either.

The fact is the perry could be deemed more escort ship, its only saving grace is the helo's which wouldnt last long against many enamy ASUW units anyway before being shot down.
The only thing left for the perry is the 5 inch gun and with a range of just 10 miles the perry would probably already be dead before it got close enough to fire it.

The udaloy is a ASW destroyer so larger than the perry more heavily armed and able to conduct ASW and limited ASUW warfare being teamed with the sovremenny gives it full scope, the udaloy is also more capible in terms of manouvering ability speed and range uddy's can go for 8,500miles at 21 knots where the perry is 4,500 at 18 knots.

Udaloy doesnt number as much as the perry's it was never intended to, but to compliment the lack of numbers the russians use smaller grisha and krivak FFL's which are of similar size to perrys (krivak grishas are smaller) and to compliment them they have the nanchuka and trantul class.

Both udaloy and perry's need replacing the first perry was scrapped in 2005 and some are already laid up so they are showing the age now, the udaloys are mostly 20 years old a tiny bit newer than the perry but in need of replacing anyway same with the sovvy's.

I dont think many perrys will be around come 2015 a handful maybe.