How much we should pay for a decent sim?

Rosencrantz · 02-04-10, 11:01 AM

I have been thinking that for a long time now, because somehow I realize we are talking about peanuts. You know, we are ready to invest this 50 bucks. 50 bucks for a sim, from which we want a lot of different things. Playability, stability, realism, graphics...

But, as we now, when prices get up, figures in selling drops. And there will be a point where those two lines meet... That's the point I'm interested in. How much YOU would pay?

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So, UBI, if it's about the money... Take my charge and build the sim. I mean SIM. "S-dot-I-dot-M-dot - This is not for idiot!"

FOR ONE THOUSAND (1 000,00) BUCKS.

(I mean it.)

-RC-

Kapitanleutnant · 02-04-10, 11:06 AM

£0.22p

Will this be enough?

tater · 02-04-10, 11:08 AM

For a proper ww2 fleet boat sim, where the ships and convoys zig-zagged (as they all should)? Where boyancy is actually dealt with properly? A good damage model, etc. Where I sink Yamato and don't see Yamato again? For an ACCURATE campaign like RSRD?

For something that meets my minimum standards (in other words as good as heavily modded SH4) I'd pay quite a lot. Hundreds of dollars, no problem. I'd pay for a subscription with a game that worked its way to that with constant updates, and back and forth with the devs, too. I've paid for ww2ol since 2001 just to support "the dream" as it were. Don't even know what it is a month paid in advance as I do, over $10/month now for 8+ years (didn't pay at the start as a beta tester). Think it is actually more like $15/mo, so I've paid $1440 for WW2OL. 2+ "box games" a year in terms of money.

I'd happily pay the same for a good naval/submarine sim.

Rosencrantz · 02-04-10, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kapitanleutnant

£0.22p

Will this be enough?

I'm sorry, Herr Kaleun, but I think this club is not for you...

-RC-

Apos · 02-04-10, 01:11 PM

I can pay 99 PLN, its 1/20 of average salary in my country.

99PLN = 20 euro or 33 dollars

Sailor Steve · 02-04-10, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

For a proper ww2 fleet boat sim, where the ships and convoys zig-zagged (as they all should)? Where boyancy is actually dealt with properly? A good damage model, etc. Where I sink Yamato and don't see Yamato again? For an ACCURATE campaign like RSRD?

For something that meets my minimum standards (in other words as good as heavily modded SH4) I'd pay quite a lot. Hundreds of dollars, no problem. I'd pay for a subscription with a game that worked its way to that with constant updates, and back and forth with the devs, too. I've paid for ww2ol since 2001 just to support "the dream" as it were. Don't even know what it is a month paid in advance as I do, over $10/month now for 8+ years (didn't pay at the start as a beta tester). Think it is actually more like $15/mo, so I've paid $1440 for WW2OL. 2+ "box games" a year in terms of money.

I'd happily pay the same for a good naval/submarine sim.

If I had the money? Well, I C&Ped tater's post because he said it best.

When I have a job I'll pay $50 for a decent game, $100 for a great one, or, as he said, more than that for continuing upgrades and additions.

Turbografx · 02-04-10, 02:47 PM

$120 is the most I've ever paid for a sim (Steel Beasts Pro edition). I think if it is detailed and accurate enough, that is a fair price.

JackAubrey · 02-04-10, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turbografx

$120 is the most I've ever paid for a sim (Steel Beasts Pro edition). I think if it is detailed and accurate enough, that is a fair price.

Me too. And the Copy Protection works just fine.

Rosencrantz · 02-04-10, 04:38 PM

To tater:

So, you seem to as crazy as I am. Goooood.

To Apos:

You mean 400 euros per month is average sallary in your country? That's not much, I think.

To Steve:

If there was this SIM, I lend you the money. Just to get you in.

To Turbo and Jack:

120 sounds good. More than double we likely should pay for the V...

-RC-

danurve · 02-04-10, 05:24 PM

I'd pay retail.

As long as there is no DRM.

Eightbit · 02-06-10, 03:12 AM

Assuming its a really awesome game and the stars aligned just right (had food, shelter etc) I still couldn't tell you. It's really limitless what I could justify paying if the game was just that awesome and the company selling it was great.

Honestly I think I put more weight on how the company treats its community (modders, users etc) then the sheer quality of the game. Ok random not too cheap number. $163.23

karamazovnew · 02-06-10, 03:24 AM

For a really good naval sim, I'd be willing to pay as much as for a Guitar Hero 4 complete box. That's about 250 euros here. But it would have to be a damn perfect naval sim.

02-06-10, 06:40 AM

I would happily pay 4 to 5 times average game price for a well made Sub Sim. That's 200 to 250 euro here. I would also happily pay a subscription fee for quality regular updates.

But I can't envisage any of the current gang of games publishers to take up the gauntlet. Their sole interest is quick profit - it keeps the shareholders content....though not necessarily happy.

I suppose we all have to ask ourselves the question once or twice in life - "Am I here just for the money ?", in UBIs case the answer is a resounding YES! Consequently, working there must be quite un-rewarding on the whole.

Wouldn't it be great if companies aimed for a profit in order to reinvest in the company, the staff, the quality of its products and the employees salary ?

Just get rid of the shareholders, sack or re-program the management and hey presto - a profitable company for its employees, its customers and its community....Simples!

UG

Obltn Strand · 02-06-10, 07:04 AM

Easily more than 200 euros.

Free economy puzzels me. If say like 20 000 people preorder a subsim like Aces of the Deep version 2010 for 100 euros (adjust currency to whatever you use), gaming company receives 2 millions. Should be enough to start programming.

ParaB · 02-06-10, 07:15 AM

I've paid 125 USD for Steel Beasts Pro PE in the past and consider it money well spent.

02-04-10, 11:01 AM	#1
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	How much we should pay for a decent sim? I have been thinking that for a long time now, because somehow I realize we are talking about peanuts. You know, we are ready to invest this 50 bucks. 50 bucks for a sim, from which we want a lot of different things. Playability, stability, realism, graphics... But, as we now, when prices get up, figures in selling drops. And there will be a point where those two lines meet... That's the point I'm interested in. How much YOU would pay? ------------ So, UBI, if it's about the money... Take my charge and build the sim. I mean SIM. "S-dot-I-dot-M-dot - This is not for idiot!" FOR ONE THOUSAND (1 000,00) BUCKS. (I mean it.) -RC-

02-04-10, 11:06 AM	#2
Kapitanleutnant Frogman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 305 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	£0.22p Will this be enough? __________________ Oh worse than Hitler! You wouldn't find Hitler playing jungle music at three o'clock in the morning!

02-04-10, 01:11 PM	#5
Apos Mate Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Poland Posts: 59 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	I can pay 99 PLN, its 1/20 of average salary in my country. 99PLN = 20 euro or 33 dollars __________________ SHV CREW: cook lvl 3 tomato soup unlocked, torpedo man lvl 2 - +50% torpedo damage unlocked, deck gun lvl 6 - 50% to critical dmg, 10% to stun enemy and 25% to freeze enemy.

02-04-10, 05:24 PM	#10
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	I'd pay retail. As long as there is no DRM. __________________

02-04-10, 11:08 AM	#3
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	For a proper ww2 fleet boat sim, where the ships and convoys zig-zagged (as they all should)? Where boyancy is actually dealt with properly? A good damage model, etc. Where I sink Yamato and don't see Yamato again? For an ACCURATE campaign like RSRD? For something that meets my minimum standards (in other words as good as heavily modded SH4) I'd pay quite a lot. Hundreds of dollars, no problem. I'd pay for a subscription with a game that worked its way to that with constant updates, and back and forth with the devs, too. I've paid for ww2ol since 2001 just to support "the dream" as it were. Don't even know what it is a month paid in advance as I do, over $10/month now for 8+ years (didn't pay at the start as a beta tester). Think it is actually more like $15/mo, so I've paid $1440 for WW2OL. 2+ "box games" a year in terms of money. I'd happily pay the same for a good naval/submarine sim.

02-04-10, 02:47 PM	#7
Turbografx Old Stormalong Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The Gret Stet of Loosiana Posts: 232 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	$120 is the most I've ever paid for a sim (Steel Beasts Pro edition). I think if it is detailed and accurate enough, that is a fair price.

02-04-10, 04:38 PM	#9
Rosencrantz Grey Wolf Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Finland Posts: 758 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	To tater: So, you seem to as crazy as I am. Goooood. To Apos: You mean 400 euros per month is average sallary in your country? That's not much, I think. To Steve: If there was this SIM, I lend you the money. Just to get you in. To Turbo and Jack: 120 sounds good. More than double we likely should pay for the V... -RC-

02-06-10, 03:12 AM	#11
Eightbit Seaman Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 35 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Assuming its a really awesome game and the stars aligned just right (had food, shelter etc) I still couldn't tell you. It's really limitless what I could justify paying if the game was just that awesome and the company selling it was great. Honestly I think I put more weight on how the company treats its community (modders, users etc) then the sheer quality of the game. Ok random not too cheap number. $163.23

02-06-10, 03:24 AM	#12
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	For a really good naval sim, I'd be willing to pay as much as for a Guitar Hero 4 complete box. That's about 250 euros here. But it would have to be a damn perfect naval sim.

02-06-10, 06:40 AM	#13
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I would happily pay 4 to 5 times average game price for a well made Sub Sim. That's 200 to 250 euro here. I would also happily pay a subscription fee for quality regular updates. But I can't envisage any of the current gang of games publishers to take up the gauntlet. Their sole interest is quick profit - it keeps the shareholders content....though not necessarily happy. I suppose we all have to ask ourselves the question once or twice in life - "Am I here just for the money ?", in UBIs case the answer is a resounding YES! Consequently, working there must be quite un-rewarding on the whole. Wouldn't it be great if companies aimed for a profit in order to reinvest in the company, the staff, the quality of its products and the employees salary ? Just get rid of the shareholders, sack or re-program the management and hey presto - a profitable company for its employees, its customers and its community....Simples! UG

02-06-10, 07:04 AM	#14
Obltn Strand Commodore Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 614 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	Easily more than 200 euros. Free economy puzzels me. If say like 20 000 people preorder a subsim like Aces of the Deep version 2010 for 100 euros (adjust currency to whatever you use), gaming company receives 2 millions. Should be enough to start programming.

02-06-10, 07:15 AM	#15
ParaB Chief Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 327 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	I've paid 125 USD for Steel Beasts Pro PE in the past and consider it money well spent.