Seeking a nice wargame. Any suggestions?

[Lt.Fillipidis]

As the title says, im searching for a nice wargame. First person Shooter actually but without all the me-vs-the enemy army style.
I really enjoy playing Red Orchestra because its realistic but its a bit out-of-date on graphics.

PS They made subsims, tanksims, airsims, shipsims, simsims... Isnt it time for them to make an infantrysim?

Thanks in advance!

[Oberon]

Hmmm

ARMA/ARMA2
Battlefield II mod: Forgotten Hope 2
World War 2 Online
Operation Flashpoint
Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising

But, really, ARMA/ARMA2 is the infantryman sim, I mean you can fly jets, drive tanks and all that, but at the end of the day it's really most tailored to being a groundpounder. Flashpoint is the original baby, again, quite tailored towards groundpounding with a nice Cold War setting and lots of mods to keep you occupied. Not really very knowledgable on Dragon Rising, so I won't say much for that other than check the reviews and ask people who have it, who no doubt will reply to this.
FH2 is not quite a realistic, particularly in the tank survival department, however it's a quite enjoyable afternoons blast.
I've not played WWIIOL, but have heard quite a few good things about it, the downside? It's a subscription only deal, like WOW but if you can afford that, then I've heard plenty of good things about it, although because of the distances involved you'll probably need to hop in a truck or tank at some point. Just watch out for Maraudering Ferrets hiding behind bushes with StuGs.

[Spike88]

I'm also looking for a nice wargame. WIll keep my eye on this thread.

[Safe-Keeper]

There is Project Reality for Battlefield 2. It is an incredibly deep, teamwork-oriented and realistic mod that basically turns BF2 into a new game. Go to the site and download the game's manual to get an idea of its scope.

Its biggest problem is really not its learning curve, but the community - PR has its fair share of a lot of obnoxious, intolerant and grumpy players who may not be very friendly to newbies or even experienced players who make too many mistakes. Having to put up with them is a hurdle you'll just have to cope with if you want to play the game.

See also Modern Warfare 3.

[Skybird]

Can't give advise on shooters, but a very good WWII command simulation is Conquest of the Aegean, and the upcoming Battle from the Bulge. Extremely challenging AI.

Info, screenshots and AARs available at Matrix Games' website.

[Blacklight]

As the title says, im searching for a nice wargame.

REAL wargames are played on a table with a board that has a map covered in hexagons with 100000000 little carboard counters all over it and stacks of combat charts and rules.

I reccomend Advanced Squad Leader !

If you wand the board wargame version of a first person shooter, check out Steve Jackson Games "Frag". It's like Quake multiplayer as a board game. MUCH fun !

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Thanks for all the info!

But Oberon, if i install the BF2 mods, i will still be able to play on vanilla servers?

Skybird, i've heard Hearts of Iron 3 is a nice strategy game.

[Lt.Fillipidis]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

REAL wargames are played on a table with a board that has a map covered in hexagons with 100000000 little carboard counters all over it and stacks of combat charts and rules.

I reccomend Advanced Squad Leader !

If you wand the board wargame version of a first person shooter, check out Steve Jackson Games "Frag". It's like Quake multiplayer as a board game. MUCH fun !

As for board games, i have already payed a fortune in Lord of the Rings miniatures and now im gonna start with Warhammer 40k.
A friend of mine got the Warhammer virus into me recently and i just cant get it out!

Originally Posted by Blacklight

I reccomend Advanced Squad Leader !

Avalon Hill, unfortunately, got bought out by one of the big companies, and all that stuff was discontinued.

I wonder if a PC could handle the complexity of ASL?
There is nothing comparable in computer games/sims, as far as I know.

[Blacklight]

Actually, There IS a game that uses the rule set from either ASL or from it's predecessor, Squad Leader. I believe it's called "Soldiers At War" or something like that.

ASL and modules for it are still being made by Multi Man Publishing.

I love ASL, but you REALLY have to make a lifestyle out of playing it. It's the "Harpoon4" of WWII tactical land warfare.

The rules are great, but MMP's components and maps aren't very good quality in my opinion. STILL, they make some good games !

Good info, Blacklight. Thanks.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

Actually, There IS a game that uses the rule set from either ASL or from it's predecessor, Squad Leader. I believe it's called "Soldiers At War" or something like that.

ASL and modules for it are still being made by Multi Man Publishing.

I love ASL, but you REALLY have to make a lifestyle out of playing it. It's the "Harpoon4" of WWII tactical land warfare.

The rules are great, but MMP's components and maps aren't very good quality in my opinion. STILL, they make some good games !

I have the original rules binder from 1985. As thick as a phone book, w/small type. I never really played it, even though I got "Beyond Valor" and "Paratroopers," and picked up the whole SL series really cheaply so I have many of the boards.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Thanks for all the info!

But Oberon, if i install the BF2 mods, i will still be able to play on vanilla servers?

Skybird, i've heard Hearts of Iron 3 is a nice strategy game.

Yes, you can still play the vanilla BF2, the mods dont overwrite the stock files.

HoI 3 was abit too much for me, I liked HoI 2, tho. The thing I didnt like about HoI 3 was that it was messy and you really had to keep your eyes open to see some of the stuff. I'd suggest you try HoI2 first and once you've learnt it, get HoI3.

Also, something to look at is the Close Combat series, extremely good strategic WWII games if you ask me. They are old, but you shouldnt have trouble finding them as they remade CC3 to CC5 which now go by the names of CC3: Cross of Iron, CC4: Wacht am Rhein and CC5: The longest day.

[DeerHunter UK]

Avoid Operation Flashpoint 2 like the plague. Everyone (and I do mean everyone) I know which has bought it have been disappointed with it and a few have even returned their copies to get their money back. If you're after a deep 1st person shooter, go with ArmA 2 or even the original ArmA.
As mentioned before you shouldn't overlook Project Reality mod for BF2 either, it adds a great deal of depth to the game. If that's not enough for you, most of the payware addon packs for BF2 have been released for free in EA's latest patch.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Lt.Fillipidis

Skybird, i've heard Hearts of Iron 3 is a nice strategy game.

Yes, there is Hearts of Iron, but I got not convinced, plus I hated the interface. Aegean and Bulge also are totally different titles, one cannot compare HOI and the two.

The monster wargame is back, btw, with War in the Pacific, Admirals Edition. It covers the whole theatre, down to single ships, planes, companies. Some think of it as a historical database.

And the Operational Art of War III, which is a good title but again presents itsS information in so idiotical fonts that I found it to be a pain to read the info in them. Totall unneeded und idiotic. But the game itself is very very good.

And finally a true classic, Steel Panthers. Modern tankers take SP Main Battle Tank, WWII nuts pick SP WWII. Both games are for free, legally. Money you only must pay when you want access to resolutions beyond 1024x786, or when you want the database editor.

But the best wargame still is - chess.