[Poll] SH5 & you - One sub or more?

[Mikhayl]

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[danlisa]

Voted for several.

It can't be accurately described as a simulation without the player having access to each and every U-Boat that went to sea.

Being limited to a single playable type makes the game a FPS in water. I have no interest in that.

[Ship Hunter]

Voted also for several subs.

Just playing the Type VII is lame ^^

I like the IX and the Type II at the begin of the war very much, it's interesting to do the first missions with this small boat.

What I personally don't need is a Type XXI or Type XXIII Submarine - but the three "important" war Boats II, VII and IX are a MUST in a Submarine Game about the Kriegsmarine.

[TarJak]

Must have at least the Types II, VII, IX and XXI.

[Apos]

I hope Ubi wont suprise us with tons of DLCs...10 euro per each new sub/mission? No way!

[mookiemookie]

Seeing as the Subsim new page has been updated to describe SH5 as a "Type VII U-boat interactive subsim" ( http://www.subsim.com/nucleus/index.php?blogid=4 ) then that's an ominous sign.

Say goodbye to Cape Town, Cape Hatteras and the Caribbean.

[JScones]

Several. Happy with a II, VII and IX...would be even happier if modders could add more types without needing to replace/fudge an existing u-boat type.

[The General]

Well, not the most realistic poll I've ever seen, but this is how I broke the question down and think what our friend is getting at:


One Sub - Sim

Many Subs - Arcade

As a result, I had to vote for one sub.

[MH]

One detailed sub instead of few scetchy ones that play almost the same...

[Turbografx]

As you describe it, one detailed sub would suit me better. However, I know that sub would be a VII and I love me some II...

[Sailor Steve]

Several.

I disagree with Danlisa that having only one makes it an FPS game, but I also disagree with The General that having several makes it an arcade game.

Having only one can make it a true simulator, but only if everything on the boat is accurately represented and works exactly as the real thing did, and even then a true simulator would require 'hands-on' capability, which in turn would require a real u-boat interior to walk around in, and I mean really walk around in, not pretend to with a computer screen.

On the other hand, having all boats playable allows us to simulate a believable career, with all the variables that come with being forced to put to sea in an older training boat and hoping to be given a real ocean-going submarine before we retire.

Aces Of the Deep had all four major types, and for all its limitations was much more sim than arcade game. The same was true of Silent Hunter. As with SH3 and SH4, for all the complaints made about the last one. It may have it's faults, but arcade shooter it most definitely is not. Only SH2 comes close to being an FPS, with its 'level' one had to pass to go on to the next one.

Back when SH3 was in development someone said that he didn't need the 3D view and the 3D crew - he would be happy with AOD's gameplay and SH2's graphics. I have quoted that line several times in the six years since then, and I'd be happy with SH4 if everything worked properly. SH5 looks cool, but that wish still stands.

[Alex]

SH being a niche game and not evolving within the same category as FSX , maybe we'll have a chance to see some UK subs or italian subs add-on released later, but I don't think we'll ever see one featuring a single U-Boot type.
Also, do not forget that Type II, IX and XXI as well as the type VII definitely were all part of what's called the Battle of the Atlantic. For that reason I can't even imagine stock SH5 not including all of them U-Boote types.

I don't think it would be fair to script operation Paukenschlag in SH5 with the type VII as only playable unit available, forcing the player to refuel from a Milchkuh in the middle of the ocean before reaching the american east coast.

[danlisa]

Sorry SS but I can't justify SH5 as a Simulation if it doesn't accurately depict the U-Boat War. To do that, surely, it must include all the operational U-Boat types and theaters of operation?

Then again, that raises an interesting question! Was the SH series designed to be a U-Boat Simulation (as in vessel) or a U-Boat War Simulation? Is SH5 a departure from the latter?

Edit - Perhaps I've been spoilt by the community campaign scripting so much that I only remember the historical realism of the actual conflict rather than the control of the vessel in question.

[Sailor Steve]

True, and put that way I do agree. I want them all, as I like imagining I'm a captain sailing the high seas. I don't want to tweak every button and pull every knob. My captain never did that. I did, and I hated it.

[danurve]

Originally Posted by Alex

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Also, do not forget that Type II, IX and XXI as well as the type VII definitely were all part of what's called the Battle of the Atlantic. ..

I can't agree with that unless it's considered that the XXI helped to loose the Battle of the Atlantic. That's right, in the end all it did was consume resources to no avail. On the other hand if they scrapped the entire IX series for the XXI .. another useless debate though.

Back to the poll; had to vote for multiple subs. Even though I'd get the game if it was only a type VII. Seeing how it's the best sub to work with.

But come on, does anyone realy think the game will be limited like that?
I call BS.