I really do own a piece of history!!

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 11-28-09, 02:09 AM

Today I finally decided to do a bit of research into an old bayonet that my father gave me a long time ago that he got from a friend during his stint in the US Army in Germany back in the '60s. For a long time I had wondered what the words "Waffenfabrik Neuhausen" ment cause at the time I didn't understand German but I know now that it means Weapons Factory ,Neuhausen, which lead me to belive that it was a German bayonet from World War One due to the sawback blade which was used on bayonets of that time. But it turns out that it isn't German but SWISS!!!! Heres some info in the type of bayonet that I own.

Model 1914 Pioneer Bayonet - Often mistakenly referred to as 1911 Pioneer

Blade Length - 18.9" (480mm)
Handle Length - 4.9" (124mm)
Total Length - 24" (610mm)
Muzzle Ring Diameter - .56" (14.2mm)
Issued with : Schmidt-Rubin Models 1911 Carbine, K31
Manufacturers: Elsener Schwyz, H.S., H.St., Waffenfabrik Neuhausen
Description: The Model 1914 differs from earlier sawtooth models with the addition of the bulge at the end of the blade. Also, the 1914 is fullered on only one side. A musician's variant also exists, where the handle groove is filled in.
The Model 1914 was issued to only select troops. When issued with K31s the were issued to: - Genie Truppen
(Engineers)
-Fahrerkorporale und beritten Wacthmeister der Artillerie
(Driver Corporals and mounted artillery Sergeants)
-Hufschmeid, Hufschmeid -Gefreite, -Korporal, -wacthmeister
(blacksmiths, blacksmith Private First Classes or lance corporal, blacksmith Sergeants.)
-Trainsoldaten, traingefreite, trainkorporal, trainwacthmeister
(Horse transport soldiers, PFCs, corporals and sergeants)
-Sattlers
(Saddle makers)
- Fahrer Feld Artillerie, Fahrer Feld Haubitze, Fahrer Schwer Feld Haubitze,
(Drivers for Motorized Field Artillery, Howitzers and Heavy Howitzers)
Edit I got pics!!!!

The Bayonet in its cover.

The Bayonet uncovered.

The Bayonet, its cover, and my other piece of history a Model 06 .22 Pump Action Winchester Rifle.

A closeup of the Sawback.

HunterICX · 11-28-09, 04:17 AM

Thats one nasty blade to stick in someones guts, nice find

HunterICX

Rhodes · 11-28-09, 06:04 AM

One time, talking to a friend, he said that veterans would advise the new and younger trops not to use that bayonet model because the alied trops showed no mercy to any german soldier that was find with this model.

Oberon · 11-28-09, 09:26 AM

Yowch RM, that's one butcher knife, and in good condiction too!

Here's my own little piece of history, you'll have to excuse the slight blurriness, still getting used to this new camera...

It came from my Grandfather who was a Marine after the war, I believe he picked it up in Germany although it's quite possible that he got it from his father who served in the war. He also had a Luger but regrettably, that was lost many years ago.

According to the stamp on the blade it's Solingen steel made in 1936 by Gebrüder Grafrath, Solingen-Widden. If any detail shots are required, and if my camera plays ball, I will be happy to provide

EDIT: New image uploaded, slightly clearer version, smaller image size to prevent page stretching.

Platapus · 11-28-09, 12:14 PM

An interesting site on this topic

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=65239

XabbaRus · 11-28-09, 12:51 PM

Oberon, I'd keep that off the forum. The nanny police will be around as you might ***** yourself, or god forbid that knife could fall into the wrong hands.

jumpy · 11-28-09, 01:57 PM

^^
You are joking right, Xabba?

XabbaRus · 11-28-09, 02:37 PM

lol

Yes my comments were sarcastic, you know what we are like in the UK about knives and guns jumpy.

What has made me laugh is that the subsim language moderator can't figure out context.

I type in ***** as in '***** your finger' and it censors it.

Priceless.

Oberon · 11-28-09, 03:32 PM

Nanny forum!!

Too true though Xabba, I'll have Gordo himself at the door with the whole British army and SAS backup before long.

Jimbuna · 11-28-09, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

Nanny forum!!

Too true though Xabba, I'll have Gordo himself at the door with the whole British army and SAS backup before long.

With an ownership tax bill in his greasy paw

jumpy · 11-28-09, 04:46 PM

hehe, thought so... still got my 'other more rabid forum' head on

warps perspective, like the forums context understanding; S****horpe! see?! it's doing it again!

I dread to think what the old bill would say when I'm out walking with my rucksack on, full of camping gear, folding saw, chunky knife (similar in design to Oberons) and other stuff you wouldn't be expecting. Never know when you night need 'em in the wilds of the Midlands.

The prospect of nambie-pambies seeing me when I'm out shooting and spoiling my lawful fun with a visit from the flying squad, never ceases to bother me though.

Oberon · 11-28-09, 04:52 PM

The fact that a few have wrecked it for the majority I think is Britains biggest truth at the moment, I mean I don't agree with shooting but I'm not going to go out and tell you that you can't do it...it's a free country for chrissake, that's what we fought a World War for!
And Jim, I fully expect Gordo to come cap in hand next week when I get my payslip through...perhaps I should declare bankrupcy and get the government to bail me out...? Might get a promotion at work for that too...

Onkel Neal · 11-28-09, 08:30 PM

What's the problem here? I checked and I ****** where the ***** is located, when the ********** returns. Ok?

totodog · 11-28-09, 09:12 PM

I don't really know what these ******* stars are about but I'm going to keep typing till the stars ***** their own ******.

Oberon · 11-29-09, 09:57 AM

Reminds me of those declassified documents with half the page blacked out

11-28-09, 02:09 AM	#1
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,279 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I really do own a piece of history!! Today I finally decided to do a bit of research into an old bayonet that my father gave me a long time ago that he got from a friend during his stint in the US Army in Germany back in the '60s. For a long time I had wondered what the words "Waffenfabrik Neuhausen" ment cause at the time I didn't understand German but I know now that it means Weapons Factory ,Neuhausen, which lead me to belive that it was a German bayonet from World War One due to the sawback blade which was used on bayonets of that time. But it turns out that it isn't German but SWISS!!!! Heres some info in the type of bayonet that I own. Model 1914 Pioneer Bayonet - Often mistakenly referred to as 1911 Pioneer Blade Length - 18.9" (480mm) Handle Length - 4.9" (124mm) Total Length - 24" (610mm) Muzzle Ring Diameter - .56" (14.2mm) Issued with : Schmidt-Rubin Models 1911 Carbine, K31 Manufacturers: Elsener Schwyz, H.S., H.St., Waffenfabrik Neuhausen Description: The Model 1914 differs from earlier sawtooth models with the addition of the bulge at the end of the blade. Also, the 1914 is fullered on only one side. A musician's variant also exists, where the handle groove is filled in. The Model 1914 was issued to only select troops. When issued with K31s the were issued to: - Genie Truppen (Engineers) -Fahrerkorporale und beritten Wacthmeister der Artillerie (Driver Corporals and mounted artillery Sergeants) -Hufschmeid, Hufschmeid -Gefreite, -Korporal, -wacthmeister (blacksmiths, blacksmith Private First Classes or lance corporal, blacksmith Sergeants.) -Trainsoldaten, traingefreite, trainkorporal, trainwacthmeister (Horse transport soldiers, PFCs, corporals and sergeants) -Sattlers (Saddle makers) - Fahrer Feld Artillerie, Fahrer Feld Haubitze, Fahrer Schwer Feld Haubitze, (Drivers for Motorized Field Artillery, Howitzers and Heavy Howitzers) Edit I got pics!!!! The Bayonet in its cover. The Bayonet uncovered. The Bayonet, its cover, and my other piece of history a Model 06 .22 Pump Action Winchester Rifle. A closeup of the Sawback. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin Last edited by Kptlt. Neuerburg; 11-30-09 at 12:47 AM.

11-28-09, 04:17 AM	#2
HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Thats one nasty blade to stick in someones guts, nice find HunterICX __________________

11-28-09, 06:04 AM	#3
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,517 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	One time, talking to a friend, he said that veterans would advise the new and younger trops not to use that bayonet model because the alied trops showed no mercy to any german soldier that was find with this model. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

11-28-09, 09:26 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Yowch RM, that's one butcher knife, and in good condiction too! Here's my own little piece of history, you'll have to excuse the slight blurriness, still getting used to this new camera... It came from my Grandfather who was a Marine after the war, I believe he picked it up in Germany although it's quite possible that he got it from his father who served in the war. He also had a Luger but regrettably, that was lost many years ago. According to the stamp on the blade it's Solingen steel made in 1936 by Gebrüder Grafrath, Solingen-Widden. If any detail shots are required, and if my camera plays ball, I will be happy to provide EDIT: New image uploaded, slightly clearer version, smaller image size to prevent page stretching. Last edited by Oberon; 11-28-09 at 09:59 AM.

11-28-09, 12:14 PM	#5
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,365 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	An interesting site on this topic http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=65239 __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-28-09, 12:51 PM	#6
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Oberon, I'd keep that off the forum. The nanny police will be around as you might ***** yourself, or god forbid that knife could fall into the wrong hands. __________________

11-28-09, 01:57 PM	#7
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	^^ You are joking right, Xabba? __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

11-28-09, 02:37 PM	#8
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	lol Yes my comments were sarcastic, you know what we are like in the UK about knives and guns jumpy. What has made me laugh is that the subsim language moderator can't figure out context. I type in *** as in '*** your finger' and it censors it. Priceless. __________________

11-28-09, 03:32 PM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Nanny forum!! Too true though Xabba, I'll have Gordo himself at the door with the whole British army and SAS backup before long.

11-28-09, 04:46 PM	#11
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	hehe, thought so... still got my 'other more rabid forum' head on warps perspective, like the forums context understanding; S****horpe! see?! it's doing it again! I dread to think what the old bill would say when I'm out walking with my rucksack on, full of camping gear, folding saw, chunky knife (similar in design to Oberons) and other stuff you wouldn't be expecting. Never know when you night need 'em in the wilds of the Midlands. The prospect of nambie-pambies seeing me when I'm out shooting and spoiling my lawful fun with a visit from the flying squad, never ceases to bother me though. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

11-28-09, 04:52 PM	#12
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	The fact that a few have wrecked it for the majority I think is Britains biggest truth at the moment, I mean I don't agree with shooting but I'm not going to go out and tell you that you can't do it...it's a free country for chrissake, that's what we fought a World War for! And Jim, I fully expect Gordo to come cap in hand next week when I get my payslip through...perhaps I should declare bankrupcy and get the government to bail me out...? Might get a promotion at work for that too...

11-28-09, 08:30 PM	#13
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	What's the problem here? I checked and I **** where the * is located, when the ****** returns. Ok? __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web**

11-28-09, 09:12 PM	#14
totodog A-ganger Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 77 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I don't really know what these ***** stars are about but I'm going to keep typing till the stars * their own ****.

11-29-09, 09:57 AM	#15
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Reminds me of those declassified documents with half the page blacked out