Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged)

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:05 PM

havent played sh3 for quite some time, but i recall bury crew at sea question. just curious to know what mixed reactions ie choice one would do if implemented in sh5.?? forgive me if this has already been posted!! (1st lets forget proper procedure if i may) fling the rule book away for a moment, we all know its a serious sim and such it should remain, but would love your input on this. In sh3 i sent deceased crew members to the bottom if KIA at start , mid patrol, but near end i popped them into aft torpedo room, returning them to loved ones on home soil lol. now i know we have first person mode and can visit all sub rooms, plus torpedo storage and all, call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative? if bury at sea, would it be a simple disaperence of said crew member? or some kind of object on the nav map floating or sinking perhaps. ie corpse, flag, symbol, etc. iam not in any way endorsing this to be included into the sim as so many have such strong objections, guess iam after opinions. As captain of your vessel,

bury at sea ? or take home to family!! ???

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:08 PM

I think your reading into a video game too much.

Ilpalazzo · 11-17-09, 10:12 PM

Shark food minigame.

simsurfer · 11-17-09, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Para

call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative?

Have you ever smelled a body that has been dead for a couple of days, even at room temp?

I didnt think so.

Effect on crew moral? You Must be joking.

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:16 PM

lol u think?? sh3 came up with the basic idea, whats wrong with colder torpedo tube? having said that yes we all tend to get deep in this forum, but i do like your view albeit somewhat vague.

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:21 PM

The sight of a comrade in arms getting mangled alone is enough to hurt moral. Seeing blood so thick pouring out of a persons head like someone pulled the drain plug from an oil pan alone is enough to hurt moral. Or seeing a huge, thick blood pool dry, and crack like a bucket of paint. Yeah, try and wash that off, blood stains like a sonofabitch. All that would hurt moral, Let alone the stench of a dead body.

Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

11-17-09, 10:23 PM

body overboard asap or if not then out the torpedo tube but off the boat they go.

this is ww2 and theres no morgue with freezers onboard

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

lol and what about the some folks that want to see saucer eyes of pure fear during depth charges, bodies being ripped apart on life rafts by gung ho AA gunners!! calm yourself man read the thread i said i do not endorse this idea but would love input, and well thats what this thread sure gettin but its a y or no question iam not putting arms and limbs on floor for all to see lol

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:55 PM

I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it.

But since you want input on it, here's my unvarnished input.

Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder. People putting eyecandy over gameplay. To such a degree they want eyecandy, they'll break gameplay functionality that took days, weeks or months to get right, just for the sake of the much lauded eye candy. Too many People define "immersion" through eyecandy, and gameplay takes a back seat. It is no surprise that now we have a discussion about storing dead bodies on a new title that will be rendered like a first person shooter.

And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.

TwistedFemur · 11-17-09, 11:27 PM

This thread has that sinking feeling

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it.

Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder.

And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.

Who made u god? silly topic lol look at ur eyecandy location Davy Jones Locker

as for crap these forums are for simmers to unite discuss and help all ideas wanted, did any one say accepted!!! you starting to make me annoyed now wee man!! modder with such tenacity to frown upon any unfit suggestions?? ok got your point and bravo on the little speech , perhaps we sould all kneel to the knights of the round table first with our suggestions and ideas??? aye you would like that!!

Reece · 11-17-09, 11:36 PM

Well, when you press "Bury the dead button" like in SH3 you could have a small movie come up showing a sea burial from the U-boat deck with German flag covering the corpse etc, just another silly thought Ducimus!!

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 11:38 PM

Whatever. Have fun daydreaming about dead bodies on a submarine.

edit:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reece

Well, when you press "Bury the dead button" like in SH3 you could have a small movie come up showing a sea burial from the U-boat deck with German flag covering the corpse etc, just another silly thought Ducimus!!

Nothing wrong with that. One quick movie and it's done with. The whole storing of the dead on a sub is a bit of a stretch though.

Not to mention a complete waste of development time. What would you rather have the devs work on, eyecandy or functionality? err.. wait a minute.. nevermind, i forgot where i was.

Lord Justice · 11-18-09, 12:02 AM

to be honest both, eyecandy sells, functuality works, to much eyecandy yes would loose the plot , to much functuality become mundane mechanical robots order to the book!! its no your cup of tea fair doos !! did i ask it to work no, do i care no, did i ask if one would decide on bury at sea ,or take deceased crew home, yes, you swayed the thread, with bad intentions, swaped it all about.

Reece · 11-18-09, 01:34 AM

You are correct Ducimus, it's the same with movies, in the old days the eye candy was poor but the stories were great, nowadays the eye candy is excellent but the stories are generally crap, I definitely prefer the story (functionality) over eye candy,

now if they could make both excellent ... as the Fonz would say ... Heyyy!!

11-17-09, 10:05 PM	#1
Lord Justice Previously 4Para Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Britain Posts: 609 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged) havent played sh3 for quite some time, but i recall bury crew at sea question. just curious to know what mixed reactions ie choice one would do if implemented in sh5.?? forgive me if this has already been posted!! (1st lets forget proper procedure if i may) fling the rule book away for a moment, we all know its a serious sim and such it should remain, but would love your input on this. In sh3 i sent deceased crew members to the bottom if KIA at start , mid patrol, but near end i popped them into aft torpedo room, returning them to loved ones on home soil lol. now i know we have first person mode and can visit all sub rooms, plus torpedo storage and all, call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative? if bury at sea, would it be a simple disaperence of said crew member? or some kind of object on the nav map floating or sinking perhaps. ie corpse, flag, symbol, etc. iam not in any way endorsing this to be included into the sim as so many have such strong objections, guess iam after opinions. As captain of your vessel, bury at sea ? or take home to family!! ??? Last edited by Webster; 12-08-09 at 04:59 PM.

11-17-09, 11:27 PM	#10
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11-17-09, 11:36 PM	#12
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,709 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Well, when you press "Bury the dead button" like in SH3 you could have a small movie come up showing a sea burial from the U-boat deck with German flag covering the corpse etc, just another silly thought Ducimus!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

11-18-09, 01:34 AM	#15
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,709 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	You are correct Ducimus, it's the same with movies, in the old days the eye candy was poor but the stories were great, nowadays the eye candy is excellent but the stories are generally crap, I definitely prefer the story (functionality) over eye candy, now if they could make both excellent ... as the Fonz would say ... Heyyy!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

11-17-09, 10:08 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think your reading into a video game too much.

11-17-09, 10:12 PM	#3
Ilpalazzo Frogman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Shark food minigame.

11-17-09, 10:16 PM	#5
Lord Justice Previously 4Para Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Britain Posts: 609 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	lol u think?? sh3 came up with the basic idea, whats wrong with colder torpedo tube? having said that yes we all tend to get deep in this forum, but i do like your view albeit somewhat vague.

11-17-09, 10:21 PM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The sight of a comrade in arms getting mangled alone is enough to hurt moral. Seeing blood so thick pouring out of a persons head like someone pulled the drain plug from an oil pan alone is enough to hurt moral. Or seeing a huge, thick blood pool dry, and crack like a bucket of paint. Yeah, try and wash that off, blood stains like a sonofabitch. All that would hurt moral, Let alone the stench of a dead body. Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

11-17-09, 10:23 PM	#7
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	body overboard asap or if not then out the torpedo tube but off the boat they go. this is ww2 and theres no morgue with freezers onboard

11-17-09, 10:55 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it. But since you want input on it, here's my unvarnished input. Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder. People putting eyecandy over gameplay. To such a degree they want eyecandy, they'll break gameplay functionality that took days, weeks or months to get right, just for the sake of the much lauded eye candy. Too many People define "immersion" through eyecandy, and gameplay takes a back seat. It is no surprise that now we have a discussion about storing dead bodies on a new title that will be rendered like a first person shooter. And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.

11-18-09, 12:02 AM	#14
Lord Justice Previously 4Para Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Britain Posts: 609 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	to be honest both, eyecandy sells, functuality works, to much eyecandy yes would loose the plot , to much functuality become mundane mechanical robots order to the book!! its no your cup of tea fair doos !! did i ask it to work no, do i care no, did i ask if one would decide on bury at sea ,or take deceased crew home, yes, you swayed the thread, with bad intentions, swaped it all about.