How Air Strike works ...and a news!

Sag75 · 08-03-09, 02:15 AM

Hi folks,

I made a test to see how air strike works. I created a little scenario with merchant convoy (8 ships) 150km West from Brest. I put around Brest four bombers and fighters air bases.

7.00am: upon my watches saw ships, I sent the radio message. I remind you the call is good ending when you can see your message sent in the radio log. Otherwise, you can't have air cover.

7.32am: radar warning receiver adviced me radar signals... RAF incoming!

7.47am: Lufthwaffe attacks convoy!

8.30am: an other Lufthwaffe raid!

After 9.00: all quiet....

At 9:36 my sonarman advices me WARSHIPS incoming!

But..

I didn't put any warships in the scenario! At free camera sight I saw this:

german warships!

s-boat, DD, DD, DD, s-boat.

So... it seems when the air cover request is accepted.. BdU sends also warships!!

this is pretty new for me..

BulSoldier · 08-03-09, 02:31 AM

Ive never thought that there is such thing as navar reinforcements.It seems pretty cool tough i guess it will have rather limited use in the campaning.

It will be quite nice to call few destroyers to draw the attention from a convoy escorts around western approaches

Sag75 · 08-03-09, 02:38 AM

Hi, why limited in campaign? There is no reason for that. The only limitation is you need to have at least 3 enemy ships in sight to send the message properly, and to be in the air base range (i.e. within 800km from Brest).

Anyway, those ships didn't engaged the convoy because their route was too much East.. and the convoy almost destroyed by aircraft!

Betonov · 08-03-09, 09:15 AM

Nice screen the first one, with the stuka, with your permission I will use it as the desktop background

Sag75 · 08-03-09, 01:02 PM

..yes you can do it,

But any else comment? it's an amazing finding! It was assumed the radio message would call only aircraft.. but it's not so correct! we can also have ships incoming...

thus the next question is: may we have also u-boot wolfpacks??

Leg · 08-03-09, 01:09 PM

sometimes after you send the radio message, after some hours, a uboat might come and follow the convoy, or even attack with the deckgun.

Bent Periscope · 08-05-09, 04:00 PM

Finally the flyboys get to work!

bookworm_020 · 08-05-09, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bent Periscope

Finally the flyboys get to work!

Agree!!!

They must have run out of booze and cigars!!!

h.sie · 08-06-09, 02:42 AM

I don't know if I'm wrong or right with my thoughts:

if you load the single mission "Brake" with empty campaign files, then you are alone in the scenario without enemy. for me this means, that single missions load parts of the campaign files (random and scripted?).

so perhaps the ships you see are part of the Campaign_RND.mis file??

so try your scenario with empty campaign files. what happens then?

Just a thought, maybe I'm totally wrong.

h.sie

dcb · 08-06-09, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

single missions load parts of the campaign files (random and scripted?).
so perhaps the ships you see are part of the Campaign_RND.mis file??

You are right. Indeed, no matter if you load a single mission or a campaign save, the game still loads the campaign layers.
This is precisely the reason why, when loading a single mission, you must wait the same (long) time as when loading a campaign save. The game still loads the campaign files in full.

h.sie · 08-06-09, 04:36 AM

hi dcb,

yes, but there are some single missions "Bismarck" for example, which seem to work without the campaign files (I installed the Blank_Campaign-Mod from Mikhayl). Using the Blank_Campaign-Mod, these Single Missions load very quickly.

greetings,
h.sie

Sag75 · 08-06-09, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

I don't know if I'm wrong or right with my thoughts:

if you load the single mission "Brake" with empty campaign files, then you are alone in the scenario without enemy. for me this means, that single missions load parts of the campaign files (random and scripted?).

so perhaps the ships you see are part of the Campaign_RND.mis file??

so try your scenario with empty campaign files. what happens then?

Just a thought, maybe I'm totally wrong.

h.sie

Hi H.sie, this is new for me, I just created a single mission and put it into singlemission folder.

So, SH3 will load part of the campaing too? This can explain why I had a convoy report in Bismarck single mission... it surprised me..

How I can make the scenario without campaign files influence?

h.sie · 08-07-09, 02:51 AM

Hi Sag,

use the "Blank_Campaign-Mod" or similar from Mikhayl. Then nothing else is loaded except of the Units in the Single Mission.

h.sie

Jimbuna · 08-07-09, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by h.sie

I don't know if I'm wrong or right with my thoughts:

if you load the single mission "Brake" with empty campaign files, then you are alone in the scenario without enemy. for me this means, that single missions load parts of the campaign files (random and scripted?).

so perhaps the ships you see are part of the Campaign_RND.mis file??

so try your scenario with empty campaign files. what happens then?

Just a thought, maybe I'm totally wrong.

h.sie

That is correct

The only way naval units will arrive is if they are scripted in.

The blank campaign file (as used by GWX for development and testing work) would prevent this.

BulSoldier · 08-07-09, 08:24 AM

So this was extremly lucky encounter ?

08-03-09, 02:15 AM	#1
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	How Air Strike works ...and a news! Hi folks, I made a test to see how air strike works. I created a little scenario with merchant convoy (8 ships) 150km West from Brest. I put around Brest four bombers and fighters air bases. 7.00am: upon my watches saw ships, I sent the radio message. I remind you the call is good ending when you can see your message sent in the radio log. Otherwise, you can't have air cover. 7.32am: radar warning receiver adviced me radar signals... RAF incoming! 7.47am: Lufthwaffe attacks convoy! 8.30am: an other Lufthwaffe raid! After 9.00: all quiet.... At 9:36 my sonarman advices me WARSHIPS incoming! But.. I didn't put any warships in the scenario! At free camera sight I saw this: german warships! s-boat, DD, DD, DD, s-boat. So... it seems when the air cover request is accepted.. BdU sends also warships!! this is pretty new for me.. __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

08-03-09, 02:31 AM	#2
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Ive never thought that there is such thing as navar reinforcements.It seems pretty cool tough i guess it will have rather limited use in the campaning. It will be quite nice to call few destroyers to draw the attention from a convoy escorts around western approaches __________________ By the hour !

08-03-09, 02:38 AM	#3
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Hi, why limited in campaign? There is no reason for that. The only limitation is you need to have at least 3 enemy ships in sight to send the message properly, and to be in the air base range (i.e. within 800km from Brest). Anyway, those ships didn't engaged the convoy because their route was too much East.. and the convoy almost destroyed by aircraft! __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

08-03-09, 01:02 PM	#5
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	..yes you can do it, But any else comment? it's an amazing finding! It was assumed the radio message would call only aircraft.. but it's not so correct! we can also have ships incoming... thus the next question is: may we have also u-boot wolfpacks?? __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

08-06-09, 02:42 AM	#9
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	I don't know if I'm wrong or right with my thoughts: if you load the single mission "Brake" with empty campaign files, then you are alone in the scenario without enemy. for me this means, that single missions load parts of the campaign files (random and scripted?). so perhaps the ships you see are part of the Campaign_RND.mis file?? so try your scenario with empty campaign files. what happens then? Just a thought, maybe I'm totally wrong. h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

08-03-09, 09:15 AM	#4
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Nice screen the first one, with the stuka, with your permission I will use it as the desktop background

08-03-09, 01:09 PM	#6
Leg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 140 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	sometimes after you send the radio message, after some hours, a uboat might come and follow the convoy, or even attack with the deckgun.

08-05-09, 04:00 PM	#7
Bent Periscope Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Dry docks of Los Angeles, CA Posts: 250 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Finally the flyboys get to work!

08-06-09, 04:36 AM	#11
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	hi dcb, yes, but there are some single missions "Bismarck" for example, which seem to work without the campaign files (I installed the Blank_Campaign-Mod from Mikhayl). Using the Blank_Campaign-Mod, these Single Missions load very quickly. greetings, h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

08-07-09, 02:51 AM	#13
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Hi Sag, use the "Blank_Campaign-Mod" or similar from Mikhayl. Then nothing else is loaded except of the Units in the Single Mission. h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie

08-07-09, 08:24 AM	#15
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	So this was extremly lucky encounter ? __________________ By the hour !