To all the English chaps.

[Freiwillige]

How popular or un popular is the British National Party? The reason I am asking is that I stumbled onto there website through a web link bashing them. Now I myself am a rather uninformed American on English politics but it seems to be a popular party or at least growing in popularity. So
even know its obviously taboo and on the political fringe how popular is the BNP?

They had a video that I found shocking that I found again on youtube



Is it really as bad as all that? just whondering really as my ancestry is half English and I have family there currently in middle Essex.

And I beleive that if I was English they would get my vote.

[Letum]

It depends what kind of person you ask, to put it bluntly.

They are popular enough to win some local council seats and be in the
running for seats in parliament. Enough in the running to worry some
moderates. That is still less than 1% of any popular vote tho.

The party was formed from more overtly Nazi groups such as the "Greater
Britain Movement" and the "National Front". It's founder called Mein
Kampf the party's "bible". The BNP takes a (relatively) more moderate,
political approach, but still stays true to it's roots, it's leader calling the
Holocaust the "Holohoax" in the late '90s. Since then, however,
anti-sematism has been completely replaced by anti-islamism
and anti-immigration ideals. A prominent party member summed
up the new anti-islam and the BNPs breed of false moderation well:

We bang on about Islam. Why? Because to the ordinary public out there it's the thing they can understand. It's the thing the newspaper editors sell newspapers with. If we were to attack some other ethnic group — some people say we should attack the Jews … But … we've got to get to power. And if that was an issue we chose to bang on about when the press don't talk about it … the public would just think we were barking mad. They'd just think oh, you're attacking Jews just because you want to attack Jews. You're attacking this group of powerful Zionists just because you want to take poor Manny Cohen the tailor and shove him in a gas chamber. That's what the public would think. It wouldn't get us anywhere other than stepping backwards. It would lock us in a little box; the public would think "extremist crank lunatics, nothing to do with me." And we wouldn't get power.

Naturally, this makes them very much despised by the majority of decent folk.

[onelifecrisis]

They aren't popular at all. Like Letum said, they have less than 1% of the vote. But where some parties have 1% of the vote and the other 99% of the population have hardly even heard of them, that's not the case with the BNP; they're very well known, and the 99% that don't support them tend to view them as despicable, or a joke, or both.

I think most countries have some sort of extremist Nazi/Fascist party with around 1% of the vote, and Britain is no different.

[jumpy]

There's a slight possibility that the lowest common denominator will cast their vote for the BNP at a local level, but only because they are too ignorant and bigoted to understand that, for all their talk of a united britain, the BNP are just another bunch of racist fascists hiding under the mantle of free speech and democracy.

They have as much bile and venomous hatred as the radical islamic fool in the beginning of that youtube link. Neither of whom are good or welcome here, but we have to tolerate them all the same.

Sad fact is, I know quite a few lads, from my last job warehousing, who thought (and I use the term loosely) that the BNP was a good party to vote for. Proles - I hate to call them that, because for the most part they were a good bunch of lads, they just have a very limited view of the world. And what vision they do have is shaped by newspapers like The Sun and the Daily Star; whilst I like 'page 3' as much as the next chap, tabloids like them are little more than comics. - But that's what they are: proles, easy meat for dicks like nick griffin and his greasy cadre of monomaniacal mountebanks.

Incidentally, the BNP website is still down due to a DOS attack :rotfl:

EDIT: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8011878.stm
Says it all really.

[Oberon]

Yeah, I'm pretty much with Jumpy on this one. There is an easy trend for those who are unemployed or down the...shall we say...lower end of the class spectrum (because let's face it, the UK is still a class society even after a decade of New Labour) to blame all their woes on 'those bloody foreigners, coming over here, stealing all our jobs' and of course, 'those bloody foreigners' extends to anyone who isn't of white skin, even if they were born in the UK and their parents were born in the UK. It's a sad state of affairs, but despite the best efforts of millions of pounds worth of equal rights campaigns, it's a state of affairs that persists and will continue to persist as the prejudice is passed down from generation to generation.
The BNP knows this, and it is not above exploiting it, although its latest pamphlet is a barrel of laughs, apparently the Spitfire on it was flown by a Polish squadron, the elderly couple are Italian and the chap on it is American .

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I honestly dont know who I'd vote for. None of the parties have impressed me sufficiently to warrant my support.

Perhaps UK Independence, but their policies arent exactly expansive

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

I honestly dont know who I'd vote for. None of the parties have impressed me sufficiently to warrant my support.

Perhaps UK Independence, but their policies arent exactly expansive

I dunno, Nick Clegg has struck me as being a Lib Dem leader with attitude in the Commons, even if he's as deep in the trough as the rest of them.

Like the poster says, 'Whoever wins, we lose'

[Letum]

Originally Posted by Oberon

[the BNP's] latest pamphlet is a barrel of laughs, apparently the Spitfire on it was flown by a Polish squadron...

Haha!
It just goes to show; that which is best and most English is so often a result
of our blessings from around the world, especially Europe and the
Commonwealth, which we have made our own. That's what makes me proud
to be British!

Curry pie anyone?

[onelifecrisis]

I'm not sure you should be taking those 'proles' so seriously. I'm from a proletariat family. I grew up in a proletariat area, about as rough as they come, and I know a lot of people (including members of my extended family) who for years have bitched about islamic people and asian people and even black people, and moan about 'foreigners stealing our jobs' and even joke (yes joke) about voting BNP. I say it's a 'joke' but really I think it's an expression of frustration at the way English people are increasingly feeling like foreigners in their own country. How do I know they don't really vote BNP? Because we 'proles' make up... what? 80% of the voting population? 90%? And how much of the vote do BNP really have? If all the people who say that they might (or do) vote BNP were serious, we'd have a BNP government! As it is we don't have a single BNP seat.

Don't mistake people bitching for more than it is. As a white Englishman who's first language is English (raised by white English people who's first language was English) I can relate to the frustration people are feeling. I worked in one job where I was the only English guy on an all-asian team of developers who all spoke in some language I don't even know the name of. In another job I was the only English developer on an all-Isreali team who all spoke in Hebrew all the time. These were not offshore assignments; they were both desk jobs in British cities, and yet I found myself the "foreigner" who is out-of-the-loop because he doesn't speak the "native" langauge. So I can understand when someone jokes that they might vote BNP, but I never would and so far (if election results are any indication) neither have they.

[Jimbuna]

I agree with jumpy....there are obvious constraints imposed upon me when discussing these vermin in a political context but let me give one small example:

In a recent BNP pamphlet put through peoples letterboxes in the north east of England, one of there leaders was quoted as saying that rape should not be considered a crime because women enjoyed sex.

Below is a link to the trutyh behind one of their leaflets:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rs-models.html

They had a video that I found shocking that I found again on youtube

Isn't it ironic that you post a propoganda piece about nutcases ovrerrunning the streets which is presented by a bunch of nutcases who this weekend ran riot in Britains streets .

[Freiwillige]

Wow i had not realised that they were outright goose steppers. I hadnt taken them for facists or anything. I dunno but I do feel that Englands current policy's are suicidal and eventual you may see some form of Nazi's running your country if you dont find moderation to the current trends of immigration.

Nazism is always a reaction to something as it was in the 1930's in Germany. It is not proactive but reactive to perceived loss of national identity. In Gemany it was the Bolsheviks, In England it is the Muslims.

I guess it boils down to definition of what IS English. Are you English because you were born in England? I know many who would say no.

[Oberon]

I don't think we'll have Norsefire any time soon, the cultural memory of the Second World War and the Nazis is too strong here.
But I could probably see fascist ideals becoming more popular.

[Jimbuna]

Why can't the UK go down the same lines as Australia and only accept immigrants who have a needed skill and are self sufficient?....in other words "you are welcome as long as you are capable of putting into the pot and not just taking from it"

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Why can't the UK go down the same lines as Australia and only accept immigrants who have a needed skill and are self sufficient?....in other words "you are welcome as long as you are capable of putting into the pot and not just taking from it"

I was under the impression that, as a general rule, the immigrants here are putting in more than they are taking out. I thought they were good for the economy? In any case, I'm not sure it's relevant. I mean it seems to me (maybe I'm wrong) that the "appeal" of the BNP has little to do with economics.