Enemy escorts

clayp · 04-11-09, 11:08 PM

Seem to be REEEAALLLYY incompetent!! I'm using Kakemann's improved escorts ver 1.4 but it dosent seem to help them at all..Is there a better one for SH4 1.4?

Peto · 04-11-09, 11:55 PM

Well--I'd have to recommend RFB for 1.4 (also modded in 1.5x). The issue with stock escorts is their active sonar range is too short. (My opinion). If you go deep and under the layer, the poor little guys really don't stand a chance. In RFB the ranges have been extended while still making evasion doable. It all depends on what you run into for crew quality of the escorts and the weather conditions--both huge factors.

Or you can go here:

http://files.filefront.com/Prolonged.../fileinfo.html

and down load my original modded AI_sensors file. It should work well with stock 1.4 as it's what I originally tested it with.

gimpy117 · 04-12-09, 12:25 AM

yea I'm running FOTRS and they're still chumps

aircraft are mighty deadly and annoying now though! so many of them...so many!

Lord Kelvin · 04-12-09, 12:57 AM

As general protocol I always duck under the layer right after throwing a spread of fish at my target(s), whenever escorts are nearby, then creep away at 2/3 speed on Silent Running, while praying. It's not that I don't want to give them a chance, it's just that it's unpredictable at times, and once I had some depth charges dropped right onto my propellers...

04-12-09, 02:48 AM

clay the escorts arent weak your just talented

you can try using the sensors_AI.dat from TMO and that should make them tougher.

just creat a file structure to add it as a seperate mod then if your not happy you can tweak it yourself.

clayp · 04-12-09, 11:38 AM

Thank you all as always you are the greatest...I will try them all...

Rockin Robbins · 04-12-09, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

clay the escorts arent weak your just talented

you can try using the sensors_AI.dat from TMO and that should make them tougher.

Soundman · 04-13-09, 11:57 AM

I will confer, the escorts in TMO are VERY challenging. Often times, a little bit too tough. Sometimes you will swear they must have some kind of superpowers, X-ray vision or Los Angeles Class sonar, and you'll say to yourself "Aw,,,come on now, there's no way that guy could... yada yada yada!" I think you get the idea.

SteamWake · 04-13-09, 12:41 PM

The DD's seem to come in three flavors.

Dumb as a brick and oblivous to situational awarness.

Not quite as dumb and relatively aware yet easly evaded.

and last but not least "Bringers of death, unshakeable, bongo petes" the last can evidently only be defeated when they run out of DC's..

Oh I run RSRD and TMO

Peto · 04-13-09, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

The DD's seem to come in three flavors.

Dumb as a brick and oblivous to situational awarness.

Not quite as dumb and relatively aware yet easly evaded.

and last but not least "Bringers of death, unshakeable, bongo petes" the last can evidently only be defeated when they run out of DC's..

Oh I run RSRD and TMO

Agreed. In my testing with AI sonars, I came to the conclusion that Competent escorts aren't really competent. Many times they'll just park and listen when the action starts. Poor or Novice crews serve only as targets. Veteran and Elite are a whole new kettle of trouble soup though and both can be a buggar to "dissuade". I was once held down for 8 hours by a pair of Elites (a very extreme case). But 2-3 hours isn't that unusual when you meet them.

It's all about escort crew quality and weather conditions...

AVGWarhawk · 04-13-09, 02:51 PM

Peto speaks the truth! I had some with a tow line to the stern of my sub and I seem to be pulling them right after me

NEON DEON · 04-13-09, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Peto speaks the truth! I had some with a tow line to the stern of my sub and I seem to be pulling them right after me

:rotfl::rotfl:

Swim for it!

clayp · 04-13-09, 03:41 PM

Thats great guys..I'm dumb and have no idea what I'm doing and I can defeat them.I cant use any of the big mods because they conflict with the mod I have made for myself.....

magic452 · 04-13-09, 05:22 PM

I saw a new one yesterday. A DD made a run right on top of me, slowed to a stop dropping DC's when stopped, then BACKED up still dropping DC's, than pulled forward and DC me to death.
OK so I cheated and used the ext. cam, but it was unreal to say the least.
He was right over the DC's when they went off.

Magic
SH4 1.5 TMO 163

Peto · 04-13-09, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayp

Thats great guys..I'm dumb and have no idea what I'm doing and I can defeat them.I cant use any of the big mods because they conflict with the mod I have made for myself.....

PM4U

04-11-09, 11:08 PM	#1
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	Enemy escorts Seem to be REEEAALLLYY incompetent!! I'm using Kakemann's improved escorts ver 1.4 but it dosent seem to help them at all..Is there a better one for SH4 1.4? __________________ clayp

04-11-09, 11:55 PM	#2
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Well--I'd have to recommend RFB for 1.4 (also modded in 1.5x). The issue with stock escorts is their active sonar range is too short. (My opinion). If you go deep and under the layer, the poor little guys really don't stand a chance. In RFB the ranges have been extended while still making evasion doable. It all depends on what you run into for crew quality of the escorts and the weather conditions--both huge factors. Or you can go here: http://files.filefront.com/Prolonged.../fileinfo.html and down load my original modded AI_sensors file. It should work well with stock 1.4 as it's what I originally tested it with. __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

04-12-09, 12:25 AM	#3
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	yea I'm running FOTRS and they're still chumps aircraft are mighty deadly and annoying now though! so many of them...so many! __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

04-12-09, 11:38 AM	#6
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	Thank you all as always you are the greatest...I will try them all... __________________ clayp

04-13-09, 11:57 AM	#8
Soundman Commodore Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 617 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	I will confer, the escorts in TMO are VERY challenging. Often times, a little bit too tough. Sometimes you will swear they must have some kind of superpowers, X-ray vision or Los Angeles Class sonar, and you'll say to yourself "Aw,,,come on now, there's no way that guy could... yada yada yada!" I think you get the idea. __________________ RVAH-9 RA-5C Vigilante at NAS Sanford, Fl 1966 The coolest plane few have heard of!

04-12-09, 12:57 AM	#4
Lord Kelvin Loader Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 88 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	As general protocol I always duck under the layer right after throwing a spread of fish at my target(s), whenever escorts are nearby, then creep away at 2/3 speed on Silent Running, while praying. It's not that I don't want to give them a chance, it's just that it's unpredictable at times, and once I had some depth charges dropped right onto my propellers...

04-12-09, 02:48 AM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	clay the escorts arent weak your just talented you can try using the sensors_AI.dat from TMO and that should make them tougher. just creat a file structure to add it as a seperate mod then if your not happy you can tweak it yourself.

04-13-09, 12:41 PM	#9
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	The DD's seem to come in three flavors. Dumb as a brick and oblivous to situational awarness. Not quite as dumb and relatively aware yet easly evaded. and last but not least "Bringers of death, unshakeable, bongo petes" the last can evidently only be defeated when they run out of DC's.. Oh I run RSRD and TMO __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-13-09, 02:51 PM	#11
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,262 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Peto speaks the truth! I had some with a tow line to the stern of my sub and I seem to be pulling them right after me __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-13-09, 03:41 PM	#13
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	Thats great guys..I'm dumb and have no idea what I'm doing and I can defeat them.I cant use any of the big mods because they conflict with the mod I have made for myself..... __________________ clayp

04-13-09, 05:22 PM	#14
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I saw a new one yesterday. A DD made a run right on top of me, slowed to a stop dropping DC's when stopped, then BACKED up still dropping DC's, than pulled forward and DC me to death. OK so I cheated and used the ext. cam, but it was unreal to say the least. He was right over the DC's when they went off. Magic SH4 1.5 TMO 163