Irish Merchant Vessels

padmack · 03-21-09, 12:36 PM

I was facinated to find out that despite being "neutral" during WW2 or "The Emergency" as we called it there were quite a few Irish Merchant vessels sunk in an aggressive manner, and not apparently due to mis-recognition.

M.V. MUNSTER Mined and sunk in the Irish Sea - February 1940
STEAM TRAWLER LEUKOS Sunk with all 11 hands by gunfire from U-38 (Liebe) - NW Tory Island - 9th March 1940
S.S. CLONLARA Sunk in North Atlantic, 22nd August 1941
Irish Lights Vessel - ISOLDA Sunk by aircraft off Waterford coast, 19th December 1940
S.S. IRISH PINE Torpedoed and sunk - lost with all 33 hands - 15th November 1942
S.S. KYLECLARE Torpedoed in North Atlantic, 23rd February 1943
S.S. IRISH OAK Sunk by U-Boat U-607 in North Atlantic, 15th May 1943
S.S. LUIMNEACH Sunk by submarine gunfire in North Atlantic, 4th September 1940
S.S. CITY OF BREMEN Sunk by aircraft - Bay of Biscay - 2nd June 1942
S.S. ARDMORE Mined and sunk off Saltees Island, 11th November 1940
S.S. CITY OF WATERFORD Sunk in collision in Atlantic, 19th September 1941.
S.S. MEATH Mined and Sunk in Irish Sea - 16th August 1940
S.S. KERRY HEAD Sunk by aircraft bombs, 22nd October 1940
M.V. INNISFALLEN Mined and Sunk in River Mersey, 21st December 1940
S.S. St. FINTAN Sunk in Irish Sea, 22nd March 1941
SCHOONER CYMRIC Missing at Sea, February 1944
S.S. CITY OF LIMERICK Sunk bu U-Boat in Atlantic, 15th July 1940
NAOMH GARBHAN Mined and Sunk off Waterford coast, 2nd May 1945

I wonder if any irish vessels appear in-game as pictured here:

http://www.mii.connect.ie/pictures/pine.html

ozzysoldier · 03-21-09, 12:44 PM

nope only with lights on

Sailor Steve · 03-21-09, 01:23 PM

Munster was registered in Britain, and flying a British flag.

Leukos was technically not attacked. According to Kplt Heinrich Liebe he fired a warning shot, which accidentally hit the trawler and sank it.

Clonlara was part of a convoy and was hit by one of a salvo.

The others were probably where they shouldn't have been. U-boats even sank German ships, usually because they were outside established Axis trade routes or were disguised as Allied ships so the other side wouldn't attack them.

I'm betting that research would show that BdU considered every one of those a legitimate sinking.

geosub1978 · 03-21-09, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

U-boats even sank German ships, usually because they were outside established Axis trade routes or were disguised as Allied ships so the other side wouldn't attack them.

I'm betting that research would show that BdU considered every one of those a legitimate sinking.

Remember Kremer of U-333 a very skilled CO who sunk a german blockade runner outside Biscay because it was zigzaging when it shouldn't.

03-21-09, 12:36 PM	#1
padmack Mate Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: U-69 Posts: 53 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Irish Merchant Vessels I was facinated to find out that despite being "neutral" during WW2 or "The Emergency" as we called it there were quite a few Irish Merchant vessels sunk in an aggressive manner, and not apparently due to mis-recognition. M.V. MUNSTER Mined and sunk in the Irish Sea - February 1940 STEAM TRAWLER LEUKOS Sunk with all 11 hands by gunfire from U-38 (Liebe) - NW Tory Island - 9th March 1940 S.S. CLONLARA Sunk in North Atlantic, 22nd August 1941 Irish Lights Vessel - ISOLDA Sunk by aircraft off Waterford coast, 19th December 1940 S.S. IRISH PINE Torpedoed and sunk - lost with all 33 hands - 15th November 1942 S.S. KYLECLARE Torpedoed in North Atlantic, 23rd February 1943 S.S. IRISH OAK Sunk by U-Boat U-607 in North Atlantic, 15th May 1943 S.S. LUIMNEACH Sunk by submarine gunfire in North Atlantic, 4th September 1940 S.S. CITY OF BREMEN Sunk by aircraft - Bay of Biscay - 2nd June 1942 S.S. ARDMORE Mined and sunk off Saltees Island, 11th November 1940 S.S. CITY OF WATERFORD Sunk in collision in Atlantic, 19th September 1941. S.S. MEATH Mined and Sunk in Irish Sea - 16th August 1940 S.S. KERRY HEAD Sunk by aircraft bombs, 22nd October 1940 M.V. INNISFALLEN Mined and Sunk in River Mersey, 21st December 1940 S.S. St. FINTAN Sunk in Irish Sea, 22nd March 1941 SCHOONER CYMRIC Missing at Sea, February 1944 S.S. CITY OF LIMERICK Sunk bu U-Boat in Atlantic, 15th July 1940 NAOMH GARBHAN Mined and Sunk off Waterford coast, 2nd May 1945 I wonder if any irish vessels appear in-game as pictured here: http://www.mii.connect.ie/pictures/pine.html __________________

03-21-09, 01:23 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Munster was registered in Britain, and flying a British flag. Leukos was technically not attacked. According to Kplt Heinrich Liebe he fired a warning shot, which accidentally hit the trawler and sank it. Clonlara was part of a convoy and was hit by one of a salvo. The others were probably where they shouldn't have been. U-boats even sank German ships, usually because they were outside established Axis trade routes or were disguised as Allied ships so the other side wouldn't attack them. I'm betting that research would show that BdU considered every one of those a legitimate sinking. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo Last edited by Sailor Steve; 03-22-09 at 03:29 PM.

03-21-09, 12:44 PM	#2
ozzysoldier Bosun Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 64 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	nope only with lights on