disable thermal layers

Keelbuster · 02-08-09, 05:36 PM

Anyone know how to disable the thermal layer introduced by SH3 commander? I don't launch from SH3 commander every time (because it seems to overwrite my LRT mod install), and hence I'd like just to disable the layer, or to set it to be quite deep (like 300 m or so). Any ideas? I know it's a bit surgical, but anyone know what I need here?

02-09-09, 02:58 AM

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

JScones · 02-09-09, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Keelbuster

Anyone know how to disable the thermal layer introduced by SH3 commander?

I'll assume that you have read the SH3 Commander User Guide which tells you the file that you need to edit to adjust/remove the thermal layers feature. So, open that file, then delete everything between the lines:

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;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------THERMAL LAYERS

and

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;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------MALFUNCTION SETTINGS

Save and close. Done.

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Originally Posted by Keelbuster

I don't launch from SH3 commander every time (because it seems to overwrite my LRT mod install)...

I'd be surprised if SH3Cmdr "overwrote your LRT" mod. The only changes SH3Cmdr makes to files that form part of the LRT mod relate to malfunction or sabotage effects (and ONLY if those options are selected by you), and are thus deliberate.

As LRT ships with the files that are modified by modders the most, viz Basic.cfg, **_menu.txt and menu_.ini, you might want to ensure that you correctly installed the mod, ie rolled back SH3Cmdr first etc, and try again. Not rolling back SH3Cmdr *before* enabling or disabling mods will create problems similar to the one you are describing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Contact

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

The SH3 Commander User Guide is your friend.

Awful Smutje · 02-09-09, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Contact

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

The SH3 Commander User Guide is your friend.

Hey jimbuna, where is your nice RTFM pic? :rotfl:

SpeedyPC · 02-09-09, 05:33 AM

And what about when some people are NOT using SH3 Commander is there a setting or file for this too.

02-09-09, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Awful Smutje

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Contact

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

The SH3 Commander User Guide is your friend.

Hey jimbuna, where is your nice RTFM pic? :rotfl:

Yeah very funny

Awful Smutje · 02-09-09, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Contact

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awful Smutje

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Contact

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

The SH3 Commander User Guide is your friend.

Hey jimbuna, where is your nice RTFM pic? :rotfl:

Yeah very funny

Sorry, no offense.

Keelbuster · 02-09-09, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JScones

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

Anyone know how to disable the thermal layer introduced by SH3 commander?

I'll assume that you have read the SH3 Commander User Guide which tells you the file that you need to edit to adjust/remove the thermal layers feature. So, open that file, then delete everything between the lines:

Quote:

;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------THERMAL LAYERS

and

Quote:

;----------------------------------------------------------------------------------MALFUNCTION SETTINGS

Save and close. Done.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keelbuster

I don't launch from SH3 commander every time (because it seems to overwrite my LRT mod install)...

I'd be surprised if SH3Cmdr "overwrote your LRT" mod. The only changes SH3Cmdr makes to files that form part of the LRT mod relate to malfunction or sabotage effects (and ONLY if those options are selected by you), and are thus deliberate.

As LRT ships with the files that are modified by modders the most, viz Basic.cfg, **_menu.txt and menu_.ini, you might want to ensure that you correctly installed the mod, ie rolled back SH3Cmdr first etc, and try again. Not rolling back SH3Cmdr *before* enabling or disabling mods will create problems similar to the one you are describing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Contact

Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

The SH3 Commander User Guide is your friend.

Cheers - thanks for the reply. Yea - I might have been able to figure this out with more reading. I think I've blown it by installing mods without rolling back SH3 commander. It's too bad that there's no trace of Sh3 commander's changes in JSME. Like, I think I need to remove my last couple mods (LRT etc) then rollback SH3 commander, then reinstall all the mods and then run SH3 commander again (After I wipe the thermal layer section). I'm a bit horrified because I fear this might corrupt everything and my 31-patrol career might not survive the reinstall. Gasp. And if I wanted to go into SH3's files directly and push the thermal layer down really deep, I'd need to HEX-edit I suppose? If I could do this, I could just leave things as is (since it's working, with the exception of the thermal layer bit).

Anyway, sorry for noobing on the DIY component here.

Sailor Steve · 02-09-09, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedyPC

And what about when some people are NOT using SH3 Commander is there a setting or file for this too.

Setting or file for what? Thermal layers? They are put there by SH3 Commander, and no other tool does that.

On a related note, why would anybody not use Commander? It's the best tool overall available for the game.

FIREWALL · 02-09-09, 12:17 PM

I can find the file easy enough.

It's what to change that's the question.

I don't know what any of this means.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------THERMAL LAYERS
[0:data\Library\AI_Sensors.dat]
;Randomly adjusts active/passive listening device values to simulate the impact of thermal layers - by Hemisent
;Only MinHeight values are changed
ChooseFrom=10
RndMidPat=1
0_x0470=-105 ;AI_Hydrophone
0_x05FC=-90 ;AI_Sonar
0_x0784=-105 ;QGAP
0_x090C=-105 ;QClP
0_x0A94=-105 ;QCeP
0_x0C20=-108 ;Type144P
0_x0DAC=-105 ;Type138P
0_x0F38=-100 ;Type128P
0_x10C4=-100 ;Type123P
0_x124C=-90 ;QGAA
0_x142B=-88 ;QClA
0_x160A=-93 ;QCeA
0_x17ED=-95 ;Type147A
0_x19D0=-98 ;Type144A
0_x1BB3=-85 ;Type128A
0_x1D96=-88 ;Type123A
1_x0470=-150
1_x05FC=-130
1_x0784=-145
1_x090C=-155
1_x0A94=-145
1_x0C20=-150
1_x0DAC=-155
1_x0F38=-144
1_x10C4=-145
1_x124C=-130
1_x142B=-135
1_x160A=-125
1_x17ED=-135
1_x19D0=-130
1_x1BB3=-128
1_x1D96=-132
2_x0470=-180
2_x05FC=-170
2_x0784=-200
2_x090C=-195
2_x0A94=-195
2_x0C20=-215
2_x0DAC=-215
2_x0F38=-190
2_x10C4=-190
2_x124C=-195
2_x142B=-190
2_x160A=-180
2_x17ED=-200
2_x19D0=-190
2_x1BB3=-175
2_x1D96=-175
3_x0470=-235
3_x05FC=-220
3_x0784=-238
3_x090C=-235
3_x0A94=-230
3_x0C20=-235
3_x0DAC=-238
3_x0F38=-230
3_x10C4=-235
3_x124C=-225
3_x142B=-220
3_x160A=-215
3_x17ED=-228
3_x19D0=-225
3_x1BB3=-218
3_x1D96=-215
4_x0470=-270
4_x05FC=-260
4_x0784=-275
4_x090C=-270
4_x0A94=-268
4_x0C20=-275
4_x0DAC=-265
4_x0F38=-263
4_x10C4=-265
4_x124C=-260
4_x142B=-257
4_x160A=-255
4_x17ED=-263
4_x19D0=-260
4_x1BB3=-255
4_x1D96=-253

Keelbuster · 02-09-09, 01:13 PM

Ok this sort of makes sense - each set starts with a prefix : 0_... 1_...

each set has the same variables, but with different values. The AI sonar depth seems to get deeper in later sets, making me think that the sets correspond to AI skill levels (novice, mid, veteran, elite) or something - but there are 5... Maybe these are 5 different random levels that the AI sensors can be set at. I think we can work with this...just a little clarification required.

Thanks for the detective work!

Keelbuster · 02-11-09, 10:42 AM

Ok - followed Jscones' advice; thermal layers are gone, and my uber DDs are back! Once again, being caught in perfectly still water by several DDs means certain death! Yay?!

Sailor Steve · 02-11-09, 03:16 PM

I know of a very good therapist. You'll like him.:rotfl:

Keelbuster · 02-11-09, 04:16 PM

Does his name start with a 'B'?

02-08-09, 05:36 PM	#1
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	disable thermal layers Anyone know how to disable the thermal layer introduced by SH3 commander? I don't launch from SH3 commander every time (because it seems to overwrite my LRT mod install), and hence I'd like just to disable the layer, or to set it to be quite deep (like 300 m or so). Any ideas? I know it's a bit surgical, but anyone know what I need here? __________________

02-09-09, 12:17 PM	#10
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	I can find the file easy enough. It's what to change that's the question. I don't know what any of this means. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------THERMAL LAYERS [0:data\Library\AI_Sensors.dat] ;Randomly adjusts active/passive listening device values to simulate the impact of thermal layers - by Hemisent ;Only MinHeight values are changed ChooseFrom=10 RndMidPat=1 0_x0470=-105 ;AI_Hydrophone 0_x05FC=-90 ;AI_Sonar 0_x0784=-105 ;QGAP 0_x090C=-105 ;QClP 0_x0A94=-105 ;QCeP 0_x0C20=-108 ;Type144P 0_x0DAC=-105 ;Type138P 0_x0F38=-100 ;Type128P 0_x10C4=-100 ;Type123P 0_x124C=-90 ;QGAA 0_x142B=-88 ;QClA 0_x160A=-93 ;QCeA 0_x17ED=-95 ;Type147A 0_x19D0=-98 ;Type144A 0_x1BB3=-85 ;Type128A 0_x1D96=-88 ;Type123A 1_x0470=-150 1_x05FC=-130 1_x0784=-145 1_x090C=-155 1_x0A94=-145 1_x0C20=-150 1_x0DAC=-155 1_x0F38=-144 1_x10C4=-145 1_x124C=-130 1_x142B=-135 1_x160A=-125 1_x17ED=-135 1_x19D0=-130 1_x1BB3=-128 1_x1D96=-132 2_x0470=-180 2_x05FC=-170 2_x0784=-200 2_x090C=-195 2_x0A94=-195 2_x0C20=-215 2_x0DAC=-215 2_x0F38=-190 2_x10C4=-190 2_x124C=-195 2_x142B=-190 2_x160A=-180 2_x17ED=-200 2_x19D0=-190 2_x1BB3=-175 2_x1D96=-175 3_x0470=-235 3_x05FC=-220 3_x0784=-238 3_x090C=-235 3_x0A94=-230 3_x0C20=-235 3_x0DAC=-238 3_x0F38=-230 3_x10C4=-235 3_x124C=-225 3_x142B=-220 3_x160A=-215 3_x17ED=-228 3_x19D0=-225 3_x1BB3=-218 3_x1D96=-215 4_x0470=-270 4_x05FC=-260 4_x0784=-275 4_x090C=-270 4_x0A94=-268 4_x0C20=-275 4_x0DAC=-265 4_x0F38=-263 4_x10C4=-265 4_x124C=-260 4_x142B=-257 4_x160A=-255 4_x17ED=-263 4_x19D0=-260 4_x1BB3=-255 4_x1D96=-253 __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

02-09-09, 01:13 PM	#11
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ok this sort of makes sense - each set starts with a prefix : 0_... 1_... each set has the same variables, but with different values. The AI sonar depth seems to get deeper in later sets, making me think that the sets correspond to AI skill levels (novice, mid, veteran, elite) or something - but there are 5... Maybe these are 5 different random levels that the AI sensors can be set at. I think we can work with this...just a little clarification required. Thanks for the detective work! __________________

02-11-09, 10:42 AM	#12
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Ok - followed Jscones' advice; thermal layers are gone, and my uber DDs are back! Once again, being caught in perfectly still water by several DDs means certain death! Yay?! __________________

02-11-09, 03:16 PM	#13
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I know of a very good therapist. You'll like him.:rotfl: __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-09-09, 02:58 AM	#2
Contact Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wha ? I had no idea thermal layers exists at all

02-09-09, 05:33 AM	#5
SpeedyPC Officer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 241 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 0	And what about when some people are NOT using SH3 Commander is there a setting or file for this too.

02-11-09, 04:16 PM	#14
Keelbuster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: BA 72 Posts: 1,092 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Does his name start with a 'B'? __________________