Slam Obama (merged)

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http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas...t-connections/

An excerpt:

Campaign workers for Senator and presidential candidate Barack Obama are under fire for displaying a flag featuring communist hero Che Guevara. But Obama has his own controversial socialist connections. He is, in fact, an associate of a Chicago-based Marxist group with access to millions of labor union dollars and connections to expert political consultants, including a convicted swindler.

Obama's socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the "champions" of "Chicago's democratic left" and a long-time socialist activist. Obama's stint as a "community organizer" in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored....

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Since we are on the subject!

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http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/

Obama’s Communist Mentor

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama's life as a "secret smoker" and how he "went to great lengths to conceal the habit." But what about Obama's secret political life? It turns out that Obama's childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending "socialist conferences" and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a "hard-core academic Marxist," which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes....

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McCain is not much better!

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http://www.aim.org/aim-column/mccain...ocialist-road/

McCain Follows Obama Down Socialist Road


AIM Column | By Cliff Kincaid | October 8, 2008


It is terrifying to see our financial system crumbling because of corruption on Wall Street, aided and abetted by government policies of too much federal spending, debt, and intervention in the economy. But it is also troubling to see our economic system of free enterprise slipping away as the candidates of both major political parties propose more federal intervention, spending and debt as solutions to these problems. Our media have an obligation to inform the American people that we are moving into a full-blown socialist economy.

At this point, with the financial crisis continuing to grow, isn’t it apparent that the “bailout” plan was in no real sense a “rescue,” as both the liberal and conservative media were calling it? ...

[XabbaRus]

And what? Why is it that as soon as someone displays any sort of left leanings, they are branded a socialist or communist and that is seen as bad. So I guess Europe must be bad, as it is essentially social democratic.

Subman you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[Skybird]

The headline is misleading for the intended purpose, it must be "That Guy's International COMMUNIST Connections". My name is Sky McBird, and I approved this message.

[mrbeast]

..........and the Subman propaganda campaign rolls on..........yawn.....

[AVGWarhawk]

Obama exhibits some Socialist ideals. However, this country was not based on Socialist ideals.

Subman is allowed to have his propoganda machine rolling. It does make for some fun and converstation!

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

And what? Why is it that as soon as someone displays any sort of left leanings, they are branded a socialist or communist and that is seen as bad. So I guess Europe must be bad, as it is essentially social democratic.

Subman you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel.

That may well be what Europe is or is based on, but the United States of America is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law (fudimently different), that no man or entity of man is suppose to be above. That is why it is a Republic. Read the Feseralist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, and Common Sense. That is what we're supposed to have, but men are corruptable.

So if a nation is based on the Rule of Law, Individual Liberty, and the Right to own Property, how can Socialism, or Communism coexist? Since they are the opposite of it. And while we're at it, Fascism isn't that much different as it applies the same principle government rule.

But what gets me is how Communism/Socialism is called the far left, and Fascism is called the far Right. To be more accurate as they are all totalitarian in nature, they should all be on one side of the scale, not opposites. The other side is Liberty. But the US of A is not so far as to say anarchy, as it is tempered by laws. These are set in the Constution and Bill of Rights.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59166933078950

Whoa hold on now. Being a socialist is no longer a label you can apply exclusively to the left after Comrade Bush sent 700+ billion to Wallstreet. The right has to come up with a new smear after Comrade Bush's "bailout".

I never let the right get away with this issue. You all susidize people like cattle and dairy farmers and call the left communists when they want to sudsidize the healthcare to clean that same junk out of people's arteries.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That may well be what Europe is or is based on, but the United States of America is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law (fudimently different), that no man or entity of man is suppose to be above.

This is meaningless when they can just go set aside or rewrite laws in a matter of 2 days. This has happened on a weekly basis under the Bush regime. Patriot Act, Wallstreet bailouts, wiretaps, etc.

[Skybird]

I love this extremist polarizing black and white painting: "rule of law" versus "socialism."

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." (Obi Wan)

Oh, and some of us over here live in republics as well, FYI. Germans, for example.

Originally Posted by Hylander_1314

That may well be what Europe is or is based on, but the United States of America is supposed to be based on the Rule of Law (fudimently different), that no man or entity of man is suppose to be above. That is why it is a Republic. Read the Feseralist Papers, the Anti-Federalist Papers, and Common Sense. That is what we're supposed to have, but men are corruptable.
So if a nation is based on the Rule of Law, Individual Liberty, and the Right to own Property, how can Socialism, or Communism coexist? Since they are the opposite of it. And while we're at it, Fascism isn't that much different as it applies the same principle government rule.

But what gets me is how Communism/Socialism is called the far left, and Fascism is called the far Right. To be more accurate as they are all totalitarian in nature, they should all be on one side of the scale, not opposites. The other side is Liberty. But the US of A is not so far as to say anarchy, as it is tempered by laws. These are set in the Constution and Bill of Rights.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...59166933078950

You know, I was actually planning on answering to this post. But the more I read it, the more illogical and uneducated it becomes, to the point that I have no idea where to start anymore. I'd probably had to explain the differences between communism, socialism, capitalism, social capitalism, law in general, what constitutes a republic..basicly every term you threw in and mixed up here, first.

Seriously, go get a good book about different ideologies and what defines them. Your post more or less reads like a guy that watched too much Fox News without bothering to ever read up on the terms used there.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Flamingboat

Whoa hold on now. Being a socialist is no longer a label you can apply exclusively to the left after Comrade Bush sent 700+ billion to Wallstreet. The right has to come up with a new smear after Comrade Bush's "bailout".

I never let the right get away with this issue. You all susidize people like cattle and dairy farmers and call the left communists when they want to sudsidize the healthcare to clean that same junk out of people's arteries.

First of all, find me a smear the right has come up with concerning the bailout? I think you'll find Obama riding the horse of FEAR concerning in his speechs. Obama has been riding the horse of FEAR for many months. The people are buying it.


Subsidized cattle and dairy farmers? Well, we need to eat! Both right and left want to subsidize healthcare. Both have a different view on how to do it.

[Hylander_1314]

This is only because it has been allowed to happen. It is not the fundimental foundations. And if allowed to continue unabated, will result in a complete totalitarian regime.

Don't forget that Senor Boosh also said the Constitution is just a GD piece of paper. I really think he looks upon himself as the dictator of America. His push towards the NAU is to have more land to rule over. Call me crazy, but I really think the man to be power hungry.

The Patriot Act, give up more liberty for security. Franklin warned of this, though I wonder how many people know it.

Wallstreet bailouts. To give the government more control over the nations production as it now owns the industry, not the private citizen. This is totalitarian. Not wisdom.

Wiretaps, breaks the "thou shalt not" rules of the Bill of Rights. That the people shall be secure in their persons and their papers.

There is a long list of intrusions by government into the rights and daily lives of the private citizens that for the life of me, I can not understand how the American People, my countrymen can just let go on.

I myself prefer the animating contest of freedom over the tranquility of servitude. I do belive the framers are spinning like lathes in their graves at what this nation has become compared to what it was founded as.

So I do not disagree with you even though I may not share your views. And it is rediculous the way the "left" and the "right" point fingers at each other, as they are really on the same side of the spectrum with total control as the main focus. But the more we bicker back and forth, the more power they gain while we're not looking.

So to quote, I do not remember the author, "....the next time the redcoats won't be coming; they're already here".

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

You know, I was actually planning on answering to this post. But the more I read it, the more illogical and uneducated it becomes, to the point that I have no idea where to start anymore. I'd probably had to explain the differences between communism, socialism, capitalism, social capitalism, law in general, what constitutes a republic..basicly every term you threw in and mixed up here, first.

Seriously, go get a good book about different ideologies and what defines them. Your post more or less reads like a guy that watched too much Fox News without bothering to ever read up on the terms used there.

Sorry, I don't watch Fox News. The info I do have comes from books. Papers, pamphlets, and a long list of historical documents. But to undrstand the US of A, one has to understand the foundations first. And what set it aside from the rest of the world.