Lie detector producers to silence truth?

porphy · 01-27-09, 08:12 AM

Interesting and disturbing news. The two Swedish scientists who published a scientific article on the subject of non reliable lie detectors, and had their article withdrawn by the journals editor after complaints from the producing company, have now received a threat of legal action from the producers (Nemesysco Limited) of these charlatan machines. The company produces no arguments in favour of their product, they simply threaten with lawsuit if they ever go public on the subject again...

Here is a link to a place where the editor withdraws the article, and only leaves the abstract to be read. The original article was "Charlatanry in forensic speech science:: A problem to be taken seriously". It can still be obtained from the authors,Anders Eriksson & Francisco Lacerda. I would very much like to read their original article.

cheers Porphy

Skybird · 01-27-09, 09:02 AM

I once posted a critical customer feedback at amazon, and although they delivered another product than advertised or ordered by me, but the thing also being of bad quality and the company refused to answer to my attempts to contct them directly, they immediately threatened to sue me.

It has become common practice to intimidate the other these days. and customer service and friendliness is detoriating in many cases, too (but not in all, to be fair). Ebay lately chnaged their rating system, to prevent customers not posting bad feedback for fears of retaliatory scoring by the accused company or salesman. While it weakens those honest guys doing business in fine ways, I saw no alternative to that step to battle such black sheep. Unfortunately they are no longer just a rare exception.

Needless to say that I posted several more bad news about them, all within legally untouchable limits so that they wanted to sue me, but could not. amazon later deleted some of them, but I think more than just a handful of customer had time to read them. That hardly is a decisive victory, but it delivered that crappy company some pain in form of some lost potential customers. Hope the next meteor striking earth hits their HQ.

SteamWake · 01-27-09, 09:08 AM

A 'lie detector' once cost me a chance to get a job.

On the day of the interview I was sick with disentary and needless to say a bit squirmy.

I asked if the test could be put off to another day but no... it was now or never.... "Well" I thought "I have nothing to worry about, nothing to hide".

At the end of the test I failed miserably "Lying" about 80% of the time

Of course I wasent lying but squirming about trying not to soil my breeches.

Looking back on it its probably a good thing I failed as it forced me to look for other work which ended me up in the carrier I am in now. No lie detectors needed.

porphy · 01-27-09, 09:11 AM

The hydra tactics work quite well in some cases. This seems to be, more or less, what is happening in the above story. The more this company tries to subdue the article and the scientists, the more well known their refutations of the so called lie detector product turns out to be on the internet, and potential customers start to make more critical inquires. Which is good.

cheers porphy

01-27-09, 08:12 AM	#1
porphy Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 603 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Lie detector producers to silence truth? Interesting and disturbing news. The two Swedish scientists who published a scientific article on the subject of non reliable lie detectors, and had their article withdrawn by the journals editor after complaints from the producing company, have now received a threat of legal action from the producers (Nemesysco Limited) of these charlatan machines. The company produces no arguments in favour of their product, they simply threaten with lawsuit if they ever go public on the subject again... Here is a link to a place where the editor withdraws the article, and only leaves the abstract to be read. The original article was "Charlatanry in forensic speech science:: A problem to be taken seriously". It can still be obtained from the authors,Anders Eriksson & Francisco Lacerda. I would very much like to read their original article. cheers Porphy __________________ "The only remedy for madness is the innocence of facts." O. Mirbeu "A paranoid is simply someone in possession of all the facts." W. B.

01-27-09, 09:02 AM	#2
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I once posted a critical customer feedback at amazon, and although they delivered another product than advertised or ordered by me, but the thing also being of bad quality and the company refused to answer to my attempts to contct them directly, they immediately threatened to sue me. It has become common practice to intimidate the other these days. and customer service and friendliness is detoriating in many cases, too (but not in all, to be fair). Ebay lately chnaged their rating system, to prevent customers not posting bad feedback for fears of retaliatory scoring by the accused company or salesman. While it weakens those honest guys doing business in fine ways, I saw no alternative to that step to battle such black sheep. Unfortunately they are no longer just a rare exception. Needless to say that I posted several more bad news about them, all within legally untouchable limits so that they wanted to sue me, but could not. amazon later deleted some of them, but I think more than just a handful of customer had time to read them. That hardly is a decisive victory, but it delivered that crappy company some pain in form of some lost potential customers. Hope the next meteor striking earth hits their HQ. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-27-09, 09:11 AM	#4
porphy Commodore Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 603 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The hydra tactics work quite well in some cases. This seems to be, more or less, what is happening in the above story. The more this company tries to subdue the article and the scientists, the more well known their refutations of the so called lie detector product turns out to be on the internet, and potential customers start to make more critical inquires. Which is good. cheers porphy __________________ "The only remedy for madness is the innocence of facts." O. Mirbeu "A paranoid is simply someone in possession of all the facts." W. B.

01-27-09, 09:08 AM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	A 'lie detector' once cost me a chance to get a job. On the day of the interview I was sick with disentary and needless to say a bit squirmy. I asked if the test could be put off to another day but no... it was now or never.... "Well" I thought "I have nothing to worry about, nothing to hide". At the end of the test I failed miserably "Lying" about 80% of the time Of course I wasent lying but squirming about trying not to soil my breeches. Looking back on it its probably a good thing I failed as it forced me to look for other work which ended me up in the carrier I am in now. No lie detectors needed.