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asanovic7 · 12-12-08, 07:49 AM

The reason for this topic is just my wondering..

From the seventh century Croats live in this part of Europe(check the map). It's been that way for over 1300 years. One of the youngest kingdoms in europe. From 11th century(after being one of the stronger european kingdoms) Croats were often swindled, conquered with false promises and own foolishness. We guarded europe from the invasion of turks for 500 years, never been conqueured by them, pope called us the wall of christian fate. Lost more than 75 percent of our country during those wars, more than million were islamized and slaved. Most of the 16.th century Croats did that without almost none help from european nations. Never got any help from european nations, not even this last war. Even crusade armies rampaged here.
Italians hate us ever since Venice lost its first ship in 10th century. ALways wanted a piece of our shore. Serbs hate us, always wanted their greater serbia and because of religion, ever since Croats wanted shared country with them. They will never give up on that, which is sad.. Hungarians always wanted piece also. Austrians.. Germans.. French.. etc. Half of Bosnia hates us because of the more the same reasons as serbs. Most balkan nations don't like us because we are more "european" than them. Europeans don't like us because we are balkanians and savages to them.
Croats fought wars for Pope, Byzantium, Hungary, Italians, Germans, French etc. 3000 Croats died in the mos precious serbian battle on kosovo. Even though Serbs won't admitt it, it is historical, documented fact.

The only more disliked or hated nation in the world must be Israel.
And Croats never went into conquer wars, never wanted something that was not theirs here from back then in 9th century!?

And after all those long centuries of misfortunes and bad times, bad rulings, good/bad decisions, little slices of country lost here and there, and only 3 or 4 millions of us left, when we are dancing as the papa bear tells us, we get this..

That a little pisshole in the snow uses the whole bloody eurepean union to succeed in their fascist and expansionist plans!?

I am often proud to be Croat, but more often because of stupidity of my countrymen throughout history and the facts I stated here, I hate it.
I don't have nothing against the turks, never will have anything because that was almost 150 years ago, but isn't it ironic that one small country, almost always connected to europe, gets such a bloody treatment and will in the end get in that bloody union later than once a great threat for the europe, turks?
I don't like european union, I wish we never get in.
But I wanted to ask europeans, how do they feel used by such a small country for their own fascist agenda? Stupid, weak..?

Argh, my bloody country, almost wish we were a bloody island somewhere far.. :rotfl:

Cheers!

p.s. if you don't understand what I am stating or telling here, please check for one of your members of eu, our prescious neighbour. One more that loves our lands more than they would admitt(perhaps out of pure fascism or God forbid, jealousy).
Thanks for reading this through..

Respenus · 12-12-08, 08:36 AM

YOU! Do not do that. Not on an international forum. Keep your grubby hands away. Leave it be. Just leave it. I will not let this turn into a nationalistic fight. Slovenia/Croatia/Balkans relations are far more volatile than imagined and I don't want any additional parties which may enter to get hurt.

Let our ministers decide what to do. Plus you know very well where Slovene lands lie (Check the Kozler map (just so you know, I know it does not mean anything and that it was a nationalistic product)).

Oh, and Mikhayl, Vive la France!

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asanovic7 · 12-16-08, 06:58 AM

This is not "nationalistic".. It is political.. One million uses 500 millions for achieving expansion..
I am just curious how do some europeans feel about it..
And I know plenty of Slovenians summer in Croatia, plenty of them like Croats, but your government.. ts ts.. I would be ashamed to have summer in some country we, our governement threatens. What can you expect, other than attacks and hate? Like Slovenia doesn't want to build roads that would offer a faster route hungary-rijeka so that rijeka could be a major port(but eventually Slo hate will allow it and Slovenia will profit from it). Slo police molest our citizens going through your borders(I have a example - if it is snowing, if slovenian police stops a croat and he doesnt have a showel(!?!?!?)- big fine and go out). ETC.
And now, your statement about some map.. ts ts ts.. So, my previous statement is a lie? You know that it is nationalistic and it doesn't mean anything, but still you mention it.. :rotfl:
I am checking that map now..

Wow, how about it..
YOU MUST BE JOKING!?!?!? I didn't know about it..
How come serbia and slovenia don't have a border!?!? Why do Croats even exist??
:rotfl:
We must be Slovenians or Serbs.. "Pope is guilty for everything"? Right? :rotfl:
Wow, I could just say "Croatia to San Francisco"! Yeah.. :rotfl: I know it doesn't mean anything and will (probably? :rotfl: ) not happen, but still I must say it..

Our prime minister is calling for an international court, for review of the wish/international law options in Hague(everything is in Hague). But, Slovenia doesn't want it. And threatens with european union. Nice.. What will they do next, attack us? Will English or French aid Slovenian troops?
I am not saying this in "I am a better f..r than you" way, I am wondering how do people react to some things..
Even though a few read this.. :rotfl:

Anteater, cool!

p.s. "vive la france"!?!? How lame, Franz.. :rotfl: Or janez.. :rotfl:

Tud i tukaj je slovenia

Respenus · 12-16-08, 07:05 AM

I will not respond to this blatant hate mongering and I request that a moderator close this thread before I get my senses together and respond in a manner which is not worthy my stature.

asanovic7 · 12-16-08, 07:11 AM

IT IS NOT hate mongering..

I am not saying this because I want hate..

I want your honest opinion on it..

Discussion..

Not war..

p.s. for those who doesn't know it..
"Tud i tukaj je slovenia" mean "Here lies Slovenia".. It was hanging in some places by some people in some parts of Croatia which still live there not harmed(they have a right to state what they want).. Although their neighbours might object it

Frame57 · 12-16-08, 07:48 AM

Bog Ti Blago Slovio...My Grandpa was Serb and my Grandma was Croat. I heard the stories of Croats fighting on the field of Blackbirds, so the story is told by some Serbs anyway. I always enjoyed the stories of my ancenstors wielding 75 pound maces and bludgeoning the Sultans goons...

asanovic7 · 12-16-08, 09:15 AM

Yep, that sounds almost mithical.. And thanks.. frame..

One more thing..

I went to the john and done some thinking.. :rotfl:

The problem about balkan will always be that Balkan people/governments think like this:
If a law applies to everyone, it is good for me until it is not against me, then I will do anything, kill, pillage, sell my mother to slavery, whatever..

Most people around the world think similar, that's true.. But for any God/man/nature given law? I think not..

There are two problems with this for me:

That I live in this s..thole and that my country is a little scared rabbit(politicians make profit allowing anything, I think they are actually offering daughters

).
For instance, Croatia always had ship building industry, always were good at it..
My f..ng government worked, is working, what, now for 15 years to wreck it and the last in the long line of idiotisms is this:
You can buy shipyard for one kuna(0.15 euro), you pay off debts(big ones though) and then you can do whatever you like..
Now you tell me, if shipyard is 1/2 of the city port, if it has land of over billion euros worth, is that profittable? What about 50000 people working there?
And I think it is because of european union, because of concurrency, business, whatever.. Maybe I am crazy.. Maybe I am right..

That's only one example of a s..thole.. But it annoys me to see stuff like this..
What is enuf? Where is the line?
People in Cro are starting to feel like this:
You want it, come, take it, what do I care.. Apathy, dismay..

But, I am still annoyed.. Persistant little bugger, little idiot in a true sense of the word..

If Slovenia doesn't want to obey international laws that apply to any godarn country in the world..
If they want something..
Then please, come and take it.. Let there be balkan woodnecks like you always were, are and apparently will be..

Cheers!

BobbyZero · 12-16-08, 09:30 AM

OK, asanovic7, STOP this thread right now or I too will, together with Respenus, ask the moderator to close it, and hopefully he will do it.

Subsim.com is not a place for arguing and local nationalistic bickering among Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. I don't think anyone else from other countries is interested in that, and neither am I.

Save that bull**** for other forums.

Morts · 12-16-08, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbyZero

OK, asanovic7, STOP this thread right now or I too will, together with Respenus, ask the moderator to close it, and hopefully he will do it.

Subsim.com is not a place for arguing and local nationalistic bickering among Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. I don't think anyone else from other countries is interested in that, and neither am I.

Save that bull**** for other forums.

asanovic7 · 12-17-08, 09:50 AM

When a guy from Croatia says such a thing, I see I can only state certain things for the end and stop this.

So, to stop you two guys from running to the admins(without any obvious reasons though) and to stop being called a balkan idiot..
I will stop it. I commented a political issue and recent POLITICAL actions by Slovenia, spiced with some historic facts. But, apparently, it is also nationalistic. :rotfl:
If you read through my posts you will find out that I am not nationalistic. I was and am curious and annoyed with such political moves.
Like many people here comment european union and its actions, I was wondering how do people react on these actions from one of the members, actions which can and should be called fascism, expansionism and threatening behaviour.

But if you have problem between England and France, then it is ok to comment it, if you comment problems like this one, you are warmonger and nationalistic idiot.
:rotfl:

Cheers!

AntEater · 12-17-08, 09:57 AM

Not with me, I just don't know what this slovene-croatian argument is about.
And I'm pretty fluent with the history of these parts due to part Austria-Hungary family backround and years of vacationing in Istria and Makarska.
So I suppose except for Slovenes and Croats, nobody knows what you're talking about.
If you would elaborate what this argument is about (territory obviously), then the rest could comment.

asanovic7 · 12-17-08, 10:36 AM

This is my last reply on the theme.
I will try to explain, maybe I 'll miss some things, but God, I opened this thread for such a discussion!

We have international borders recognized 1991. for Slovenia and Croatia by UN(or whatever). Borders that were "assembled" by Yugoslavia after second world war.

The thing is, Slovenia is not satisfied with such borders and constantly uses men and everything at disposal to provocate. Like when their politicians crossed the border illegally to show I do not know what. They got arrested. :rotfl:

2002. or so our former idiot prime minister gave out certain parts of the shore under pressure to Slovenia, but that arrangement was not legal. In translation idiot realized, fortunately very fast, what he did. To give away parts of your own country without any knowledge of others, is ofcourse treason. Although that arrangement is not legal slovenians talk about that like hell.
Well, Slovenians need those certain parts so they can exploit sea resources(oil) in northern Jadran or mediterranean and that they can have a free access to international waters.
Actions like not wanting to make a road from Hungary to Rijeka to stop RIjeka and certain parts of Croatia from developing show the extent of such provocations.
Croatia last year declared economic sea belt(I don't know how to call it :rotfl

to stop Italian and Slovenian fishermen and others from exploiting our sea, but under great pressure that belt was cancelled. It is fof no matter most european countires have such a thing, ofcourse.
Slovenians now want to use European union as a weapon in claiming those parts of Croatia, and they state those two things I mentioned above as a proof "Croats are cattle"(this is what one of their members of governemnt spoke of Croatia, just recently).
Our governement(even as dumb as it is) wants that issue to be solved either amongst ourselves or in front of a international court in Hague.
But Slovenians don't want that and do this, and I call it fascism.

They have a fascist government and it should be said freely. It is fascism. They act and speak like fascists.

It is not I hate Slovenians, it is not nationalistic. I don't like their governement. Why do our two countries have to fight? And how can a such a little country use so many countries as a weapon?
Why is there such a thing as kozler map, eh, respenus?

It is the same with Serbia. Their government is a mix fascist disaster also.
Serbs are nice people, funny, but certain(and a good one) percentage of them and their government is "not nice".
How can't they not understand, if we fight with neighbours and we want that "cow dies to neighbour" ( a saying), how can we all prosper?

I am curious what do the people from european union that are used as a "weapon" think about that? Do they think this is good for Slovenia?

But to understand true cause in those "volatile balkan relations" you would have to be born here. You would have to know history, you would have to understand why a guy from Croatia threatens to another guy from Croatia. It is not people fight for nothing or out of nothing, but it and may appear so. It has firm historical reaons, some are way old. Some are not.
You would have to know that true slovenians are not interested in such things as their governement, many of them work in Croatia as well as Croats in Slovenia, and that a fascist movement in that country has certain roots in some other countries. Historical roots, BUT to say or speak about that would be "nationalism".

Sorry on my bad english, I tried to explain as hard as I can.

Cheers

12-12-08, 07:49 AM	#1
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Ante muralis christianis The reason for this topic is just my wondering.. From the seventh century Croats live in this part of Europe(check the map). It's been that way for over 1300 years. One of the youngest kingdoms in europe. From 11th century(after being one of the stronger european kingdoms) Croats were often swindled, conquered with false promises and own foolishness. We guarded europe from the invasion of turks for 500 years, never been conqueured by them, pope called us the wall of christian fate. Lost more than 75 percent of our country during those wars, more than million were islamized and slaved. Most of the 16.th century Croats did that without almost none help from european nations. Never got any help from european nations, not even this last war. Even crusade armies rampaged here. Italians hate us ever since Venice lost its first ship in 10th century. ALways wanted a piece of our shore. Serbs hate us, always wanted their greater serbia and because of religion, ever since Croats wanted shared country with them. They will never give up on that, which is sad.. Hungarians always wanted piece also. Austrians.. Germans.. French.. etc. Half of Bosnia hates us because of the more the same reasons as serbs. Most balkan nations don't like us because we are more "european" than them. Europeans don't like us because we are balkanians and savages to them. Croats fought wars for Pope, Byzantium, Hungary, Italians, Germans, French etc. 3000 Croats died in the mos precious serbian battle on kosovo. Even though Serbs won't admitt it, it is historical, documented fact. The only more disliked or hated nation in the world must be Israel. And Croats never went into conquer wars, never wanted something that was not theirs here from back then in 9th century!? And after all those long centuries of misfortunes and bad times, bad rulings, good/bad decisions, little slices of country lost here and there, and only 3 or 4 millions of us left, when we are dancing as the papa bear tells us, we get this.. That a little pisshole in the snow uses the whole bloody eurepean union to succeed in their fascist and expansionist plans!? I am often proud to be Croat, but more often because of stupidity of my countrymen throughout history and the facts I stated here, I hate it. I don't have nothing against the turks, never will have anything because that was almost 150 years ago, but isn't it ironic that one small country, almost always connected to europe, gets such a bloody treatment and will in the end get in that bloody union later than once a great threat for the europe, turks? I don't like european union, I wish we never get in. But I wanted to ask europeans, how do they feel used by such a small country for their own fascist agenda? Stupid, weak..? Argh, my bloody country, almost wish we were a bloody island somewhere far.. :rotfl: Cheers! p.s. if you don't understand what I am stating or telling here, please check for one of your members of eu, our prescious neighbour. One more that loves our lands more than they would admitt(perhaps out of pure fascism or God forbid, jealousy). Thanks for reading this through..

12-12-08, 08:36 AM	#2
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	YOU! Do not do that. Not on an international forum. Keep your grubby hands away. Leave it be. Just leave it. I will not let this turn into a nationalistic fight. Slovenia/Croatia/Balkans relations are far more volatile than imagined and I don't want any additional parties which may enter to get hurt. Let our ministers decide what to do. Plus you know very well where Slovene lands lie (Check the Kozler map (just so you know, I know it does not mean anything and that it was a nationalistic product)). Oh, and Mikhayl, Vive la France! __________________ Last edited by Respenus; 12-12-08 at 08:40 AM.

12-12-08, 08:52 AM	#3
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12-16-08, 06:58 AM	#4
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	ah my island This is not "nationalistic".. It is political.. One million uses 500 millions for achieving expansion.. I am just curious how do some europeans feel about it.. And I know plenty of Slovenians summer in Croatia, plenty of them like Croats, but your government.. ts ts.. I would be ashamed to have summer in some country we, our governement threatens. What can you expect, other than attacks and hate? Like Slovenia doesn't want to build roads that would offer a faster route hungary-rijeka so that rijeka could be a major port(but eventually Slo hate will allow it and Slovenia will profit from it). Slo police molest our citizens going through your borders(I have a example - if it is snowing, if slovenian police stops a croat and he doesnt have a showel(!?!?!?)- big fine and go out). ETC. And now, your statement about some map.. ts ts ts.. So, my previous statement is a lie? You know that it is nationalistic and it doesn't mean anything, but still you mention it.. :rotfl: I am checking that map now.. Wow, how about it.. YOU MUST BE JOKING!?!?!? I didn't know about it.. How come serbia and slovenia don't have a border!?!? Why do Croats even exist?? :rotfl: We must be Slovenians or Serbs.. "Pope is guilty for everything"? Right? :rotfl: Wow, I could just say "Croatia to San Francisco"! Yeah.. :rotfl: I know it doesn't mean anything and will (probably? :rotfl: ) not happen, but still I must say it.. Our prime minister is calling for an international court, for review of the wish/international law options in Hague(everything is in Hague). But, Slovenia doesn't want it. And threatens with european union. Nice.. What will they do next, attack us? Will English or French aid Slovenian troops? I am not saying this in "I am a better f..r than you" way, I am wondering how do people react to some things.. Even though a few read this.. :rotfl: Anteater, cool! p.s. "vive la france"!?!? How lame, Franz.. :rotfl: Or janez.. :rotfl: Tud i tukaj je slovenia

12-16-08, 07:05 AM	#5
Respenus Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,169 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I will not respond to this blatant hate mongering and I request that a moderator close this thread before I get my senses together and respond in a manner which is not worthy my stature. __________________

12-16-08, 07:11 AM	#6
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	no no IT IS NOT hate mongering.. I am not saying this because I want hate.. I want your honest opinion on it.. Discussion.. Not war.. p.s. for those who doesn't know it.. "Tud i tukaj je slovenia" mean "Here lies Slovenia".. It was hanging in some places by some people in some parts of Croatia which still live there not harmed(they have a right to state what they want).. Although their neighbours might object it Last edited by asanovic7; 12-16-08 at 07:17 AM.

12-16-08, 07:48 AM	#7
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Bog Ti Blago Slovio...My Grandpa was Serb and my Grandma was Croat. I heard the stories of Croats fighting on the field of Blackbirds, so the story is told by some Serbs anyway. I always enjoyed the stories of my ancenstors wielding 75 pound maces and bludgeoning the Sultans goons...

12-16-08, 09:15 AM	#8
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	heh Yep, that sounds almost mithical.. And thanks.. frame.. One more thing.. I went to the john and done some thinking.. :rotfl: The problem about balkan will always be that Balkan people/governments think like this: If a law applies to everyone, it is good for me until it is not against me, then I will do anything, kill, pillage, sell my mother to slavery, whatever.. Most people around the world think similar, that's true.. But for any God/man/nature given law? I think not.. There are two problems with this for me: That I live in this s..thole and that my country is a little scared rabbit(politicians make profit allowing anything, I think they are actually offering daughters ). For instance, Croatia always had ship building industry, always were good at it.. My f..ng government worked, is working, what, now for 15 years to wreck it and the last in the long line of idiotisms is this: You can buy shipyard for one kuna(0.15 euro), you pay off debts(big ones though) and then you can do whatever you like.. Now you tell me, if shipyard is 1/2 of the city port, if it has land of over billion euros worth, is that profittable? What about 50000 people working there? And I think it is because of european union, because of concurrency, business, whatever.. Maybe I am crazy.. Maybe I am right.. That's only one example of a s..thole.. But it annoys me to see stuff like this.. What is enuf? Where is the line? People in Cro are starting to feel like this: You want it, come, take it, what do I care.. Apathy, dismay.. But, I am still annoyed.. Persistant little bugger, little idiot in a true sense of the word.. If Slovenia doesn't want to obey international laws that apply to any godarn country in the world.. If they want something.. Then please, come and take it.. Let there be balkan woodnecks like you always were, are and apparently will be.. Cheers!

12-16-08, 09:30 AM	#9
BobbyZero Mate Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Croatia Posts: 57 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	OK, asanovic7, STOP this thread right now or I too will, together with Respenus, ask the moderator to close it, and hopefully he will do it. Subsim.com is not a place for arguing and local nationalistic bickering among Slovenes, Croats and Serbs. I don't think anyone else from other countries is interested in that, and neither am I. Save that bull**** for other forums. Last edited by BobbyZero; 12-16-08 at 09:31 AM.

12-17-08, 09:50 AM	#11
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	ok When a guy from Croatia says such a thing, I see I can only state certain things for the end and stop this. So, to stop you two guys from running to the admins(without any obvious reasons though) and to stop being called a balkan idiot.. I will stop it. I commented a political issue and recent POLITICAL actions by Slovenia, spiced with some historic facts. But, apparently, it is also nationalistic. :rotfl: If you read through my posts you will find out that I am not nationalistic. I was and am curious and annoyed with such political moves. Like many people here comment european union and its actions, I was wondering how do people react on these actions from one of the members, actions which can and should be called fascism, expansionism and threatening behaviour. But if you have problem between England and France, then it is ok to comment it, if you comment problems like this one, you are warmonger and nationalistic idiot. :rotfl: Cheers!

12-17-08, 09:57 AM	#12
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Not with me, I just don't know what this slovene-croatian argument is about. And I'm pretty fluent with the history of these parts due to part Austria-Hungary family backround and years of vacationing in Istria and Makarska. So I suppose except for Slovenes and Croats, nobody knows what you're talking about. If you would elaborate what this argument is about (territory obviously), then the rest could comment. __________________

12-17-08, 10:36 AM	#13
asanovic7 Captain Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 516 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Ok This is my last reply on the theme. I will try to explain, maybe I 'll miss some things, but God, I opened this thread for such a discussion! We have international borders recognized 1991. for Slovenia and Croatia by UN(or whatever). Borders that were "assembled" by Yugoslavia after second world war. The thing is, Slovenia is not satisfied with such borders and constantly uses men and everything at disposal to provocate. Like when their politicians crossed the border illegally to show I do not know what. They got arrested. :rotfl: 2002. or so our former idiot prime minister gave out certain parts of the shore under pressure to Slovenia, but that arrangement was not legal. In translation idiot realized, fortunately very fast, what he did. To give away parts of your own country without any knowledge of others, is ofcourse treason. Although that arrangement is not legal slovenians talk about that like hell. Well, Slovenians need those certain parts so they can exploit sea resources(oil) in northern Jadran or mediterranean and that they can have a free access to international waters. Actions like not wanting to make a road from Hungary to Rijeka to stop RIjeka and certain parts of Croatia from developing show the extent of such provocations. Croatia last year declared economic sea belt(I don't know how to call it :rotfl to stop Italian and Slovenian fishermen and others from exploiting our sea, but under great pressure that belt was cancelled. It is fof no matter most european countires have such a thing, ofcourse. Slovenians now want to use European union as a weapon in claiming those parts of Croatia, and they state those two things I mentioned above as a proof "Croats are cattle"(this is what one of their members of governemnt spoke of Croatia, just recently). Our governement(even as dumb as it is) wants that issue to be solved either amongst ourselves or in front of a international court in Hague. But Slovenians don't want that and do this, and I call it fascism. They have a fascist government and it should be said freely. It is fascism. They act and speak like fascists. It is not I hate Slovenians, it is not nationalistic. I don't like their governement. Why do our two countries have to fight? And how can a such a little country use so many countries as a weapon? Why is there such a thing as kozler map, eh, respenus? It is the same with Serbia. Their government is a mix fascist disaster also. Serbs are nice people, funny, but certain(and a good one) percentage of them and their government is "not nice". How can't they not understand, if we fight with neighbours and we want that "cow dies to neighbour" ( a saying), how can we all prosper? I am curious what do the people from european union that are used as a "weapon" think about that? Do they think this is good for Slovenia? But to understand true cause in those "volatile balkan relations" you would have to be born here. You would have to know history, you would have to understand why a guy from Croatia threatens to another guy from Croatia. It is not people fight for nothing or out of nothing, but it and may appear so. It has firm historical reaons, some are way old. Some are not. You would have to know that true slovenians are not interested in such things as their governement, many of them work in Croatia as well as Croats in Slovenia, and that a fascist movement in that country has certain roots in some other countries. Historical roots, BUT to say or speak about that would be "nationalism". Sorry on my bad english, I tried to explain as hard as I can. Cheers