Slam McCain/Palin (merged)

[Von Tonner]

This is hilarious - it will have you rolling in the aisle. A compilation of skits from the last debate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_133775.html

(apologies to Dion)





Well I roam from town to town, I go through life without a care,
And I'm as happy as a clown,
With my two fists of iron, but I'm goin' nowhere.
Yeah I'm the type of guy that likes to roam around
I'm never in one place I roam from town to town
And I'm a wanderer, yeah I'm a wanderer
I roam around around around around hmmm

[Skybird]

Give that man a map with a clear marking on it!

[Morts]

he's looking for a way out !:rotfl:

[Dowly]

ROFL! :rotfl:

[Von Tonner]

Obama's tenuous 'guilt by association' relationship with Bill Ayers is somehow more damning than this

The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American Government and I won't be buried under their damn flag - Joe Vogler AIP founder member

“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.” This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (“Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”)

Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature...can/index.html

Palin and Chryson discovered they could be useful to each other. Palin would be running for mayor, while Chryson was about to take over the chairmanship of the Alaska Independence Party, which at its peak in 1990 had managed to elect a governor.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...palin_chryson/

Now, watch the movie capturing the Palin's relationship with the AIP.

[AVGWarhawk]

Troopergate, AIP, Rev Wright and Ayers are just another distraction from the real issues. If I were to grade the media on coverage and unbiased opinions for the past 18 months, every one of news stations would fail miserably. Lets face it, the media coverage on the campaign has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings.

In all reality, I think Obama and Palin have been probed sufficiently. I see more of a blind eye turned towards Obama past. He receives a bye after bye on everything. As far as McCain and Biden, both have been in he public eye over 20 years. There is no story there. But, people are so concerned that McCain will croak and Palin will run the country. She is the #2 after all. However, Obama's past is scrutinzed and he is the #1 running the country if elected. The balance sheet does not add up. If this campaign was so cut and dry, Obama would have a huge lead. He does not. Why is that?


So, I vote we throw the whole lot out of the race and start fresh


Von Tonner, please explain to me why Obama, who is covered favorably by the majority of the news media, is not ahead by leaps and bounds? What is the ultimate underlying cause of this tight race?

[kurtz]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Von Tonner, please explain to me why Obama, who is covered favorably by the majority of the news media, is not ahead by leaps and bounds? What is the ultimate underlying cause of this tight race?

Are you saying you shouldn't vote for Obama because other people aren't voting for Obama?

Don't get me wrong I'm pretty neutral on these issues, other than thinking palins pretty hot

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Lets face it, the media coverage on the campaign has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings.

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by kurtz

Are you saying you shouldn't vote for Obama because other people aren't voting for Obama?

Don't get me wrong I'm pretty neutral on these issues, other than thinking palins pretty hot

I'm not saying anything or looking to sway a vote. I just find it amazing the media on Obama is very pro Obama. Yet, the race is very tight. Why is it that at least 4 major media stations (ABC, NBC, MSNBC and CNN) as opposed to FOX have been pushing Obama like crack, yet, the race is tight?

Palin is hot. Cindy McCain is hotter and she owns a beer factory. I guess for some this is enough for a vote. I'm not sure.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

The Swastika is and will always be villafied and rightly so. Certainly, American and Un-American can be defined but there will always be a shade of gray. The reason is it is our right to have a shade of gray. Everyone disparage things that do not fit into their world or how the world should be in their view. It is human nature to do so.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I would say the campaining circus itself has done nothing but distract in the name of ratings - and it is designed and inteded to do that.

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I would not talk of "un-american" activities, for two reasons. First, Palin holds the American citizenship, which is a formality, but formally her activities are that of an American, and anyway: who would define what is american and un-American behavior? And second, for historical reasons: the Nazis tried to "verunglimpfen" (disparage?) everything that did not fit into their world view or was critical of Nazi idelogy as "undeutsch", there was un-German art, and un-german literature, and not supporting the Führer of course also was un-german. You cannot evade this comparsion like you cannot evade the linking of the Swastika to Nazi symbology, although it has existed before.

Yes and no. Firstly, if the argument is: choose between A party or B party and both parties are presenting arguments WITHIN the system then yes, that is not un-American. And as you correctly point out Skybird parties have called other parties WITHIN the system un-patriotic on policy issues because it rallies their base. We had it here in SA between the far right and the left for years. If you voted for the opposition you were un-South African. The AIP is different - it calls for a WITHDRAWALL from the political sytem (i.e. the USA). This is a totaly different ball game from playing WITHIN the system. This says you want 'out' - and as such, the un- prefix is then quite is justifiiable.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Von Tonner, please explain to me why Obama, who is covered favorably by the majority of the news media, is not ahead by leaps and bounds? What is the ultimate underlying cause of this tight race?

Ok, firstly if one looks at the electoral vote polling it is a landside. And I don't mean that as a cheap shot - I just want to get it out of the way.

Here is my take, maybe I am wrong, but I really believe that there is a paradigm shift economically and politically running through the world. Anyone who believes otherwise does so at their peril. This implies change. Change by nature is a venture into the unknown. It holds perils, fears, uncertainty, dangers - all things that make those who want to hold onto their comfort zone difficult to bring on board. You have to sell them the opportunities and safety the change can be to them.

I am looking at your question from a South African perspective. We had as South Africans a major 'change moment' a few years back. Nelson Mandela was released from jail and we had been fed the garbage from the media that he was the devil reincarnated but you know what, he became the president and followed a policy of reconcilliation that stunned the world. We were blessed as a country that after all the years he spent in jail for his beliefs in equality he harboured no ill will to those whites who put him there. And we have prospored as a nation.

The USA, IMO, in Obama, has this same magical moment - cometh the hour, cometh the man. Yes, you have racists in the USA who are not in anyway going to vote for Obama no matter how much his fiscal policies could benifit them. But history is, like in SA, unfortunately against them.

[Frame57]

Originally Posted by Von Tonner

Ok, firstly if one looks at the electoral vote polling it is a landside. And I don't mean that as a cheap shot - I just want to get it out of the way.

Here is my take, maybe I am wrong, but I really believe that there is a paradigm shift economically and politically running through the world. Anyone who believes otherwise does so at their peril. This implies change. Change by nature is a venture into the unknown. It holds perils, fears, uncertainty, dangers - all things that make those who want to hold onto their comfort zone difficult to bring on board. You have to sell them the opportunities and safety the change can be to them.

I am looking at your question from a South African perspective. We had as South Africans a major 'change moment' a few years back. Nelson Mandela was released from jail and we had been fed the garbage from the media that he was the devil reincarnated but you know what, he became the president and followed a policy of reconcilliation that stunned the world. We were blessed as a country that after all the years he spent in jail for his beliefs in equality he harboured no ill will to those whites who put him there. And we have prospored as a nation.

The USA, IMO, in Obama, has this same magical moment - cometh the hour, cometh the man. Yes, you have racists in the USA who are not in anyway going to vote for Obama no matter how much his fiscal policies could benifit them. But history is, like in SA, unfortunately against them.

So, anyone who does not vote for Obama is a racists???:hmm:

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by Frame57

So, anyone who does not vote for Obama is a racists???:hmm:

That is not what I said. But believe me, anyone who goes into that polling booth and pulls the lever against Obama knowing in their hearts that his fiscal policies will put food on their tables - yes, you ARE a RACIST!!!

[Type941]

This is popping up now in Amerika. Free speech West Plains Missouri style. Welcome to Racism ya'll gotcha wink wink I'm Sarah Palin and I approve this message. I love it how they put 'hussein' in qoutation marks. Thats a chance alright from McCain, GOP and Co.


here's another one, just for fun.



These goddamn racist need to just start wearing their hoods and yell white power. Talk about history making full circle. Bloody hell, what Palin-McCain is saying in those rallies?!! Is GOP a party of racist (n. haters as they'd put it surely?!). I'm astonished at how far down America has come since August 2008. Truly shocked.