OK, Abrahamers and PC'ers, it's on now!

[Safe-Keeper]

OK, so you know me, I'm a liberal, I like Muslims, I dislike all the attacks on them on this forum, and I've been naively thinking that The Muslim Threat is way overblown.

But -

- a short stroll away from my school there's Christi Krybbe elementary school. It lies in the midst of a 'Little Arabia' neighbourhood dominated by Muslim 'guest workers', and the student body is predominately Muslim (89% Muslim, 6% Christian, 7% nonbeliever/other, according to article). Now, the deal is that nearly all of the Muslim girls wear hijabs, the traditional head garment wore by many Muslims around the world.

Now, what makes my blood boil is that the faculty just passed a new rule which for the sake of political correctness requires every female student and faculty member on the school to wear a hijab. That's right, not only ever Muslim girl, every girl - Christian, atheist or otherwise. Lest the Islamic students, who make up the majority of the student body, will feel alienated. You read that right - the Muslim students, who comprise nine out of ten of the student body and mostly speak Arabic tongues and English on campus, could feel alienated. Wearing head garments, the faculty spouts, will also dampen physical appearance and improve the self-esteem of the students. They refer to positive studies on the wearing of such garments and, are you ready, the success of school uniforms in foreign schools, as evidence that students will be happier wearing hijabs while on campus. It's an "excellent example of how we Norwegians can learn from foreign cultures and integrate their values into our society", according to the principal of the school, Bjarte Somethingorother.

And the worst part? This is being ignored. You won't find articles locally or abroad about this - Bergens Tidende, a Bergensian newspaper known for printing human rights stories, ran it on the front page, but few others picked up on it, and the ones who did turned it into a kind of humorous item, which was then laughed at and forgotten about by the readers. People don't care. That students are being forced to wear garments of other religions against their will simply doesn't bother my countrymen. One of my teachers even had the nerve to call my stance ethno-centric and racist when I brought it up in class, saying that this is no different from how non-Christian students are forced to say a Christian prayer before lunch in public schools along with the Christians, unless they bring a note from their parents. Well, let's see - maybe it's different because the students at Christi Krybbe are students of a Norwegian school? Because they can't bring notes from home to be excempted because the hijabs are "dress code"? Because they risk day-long suspension if they fail to show up wearing something to cover up their hair?

Is it just me, or is this Muslim-friendly PC gone mad?

Kristne elever må bære hijab - Bergens Tidende 29/9/08. The link may be expired by now as it's been moved off of the top of the front page. I'll dig up a permalink ASAP.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Skybird's gonna have a field day with this one

This is so wrong. Supporting Muslims at the expense of women?

I'll look for the perma-link before I say more. I got the 404 error.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Skybird's gonna have a field day with this one

Not really, since this way of taking over a culture is what I warn off since years, and so it is not new to me. Nowhere I said that islamic terrorism is a real thread to the West. the smiling enforcing of Islamic rules from inside hosting nations - this is the danger, and it is far more difficult to be repelled, since many people still do not even see a need to do so, and welcome it under their wrong percpetions of tolerance and multi-culti - which exmaples like this of course are not, but right the opposite.

Long live our reasonable, civilised and self-restrained temper. We even face our unneeded cultural suicide with discipline, and a smile on our face. Aren't we fantastic.

[McBeck]

That is just wrong!

Why imposed this on other students? Im all for free religion, but its one of those things you should never EVER impose on other against their will.

[Wolfehunter]

Totaly wrong. I would fight that.

[bookworm_020]

I would fight on the grounds that it is in breech of civil rights, that there should be a choice, as they have no right to force you to do something that is not in common law.

If they get offended by the site of a couple of people in the school without a headress, then how are they going to cope when faced with it outside the school???

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

If they get offended by the site of a couple of people in the school without a headress, then how are they going to cope when faced with it outside the school???

I think thats the problem bookworm..

while not all muslims necessarily think in this train of thought, they are quiet - its the vocal minority who intend on eliminating the dilemma of facing it outside of school by taking over to the extent where there will be no women uncovered.

[Frame57]

What is an "Abrahamer"?:hmm:

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by Frame57

What is an "Abrahamer"?:hmm:

The Abrahamic religions perhaps?

[Konovalov]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

I think thats the problem bookworm..

while not all muslims necessarily think in this train of thought, they are quiet - its the vocal minority who intend on eliminating the dilemma of facing it outside of school by taking over to the extent where there will be no women uncovered.

Agreed.

From an Islamic theological view the wearing of hijabs, headscarves, niqabs, burkas and the like are not fard (compulsory). At the end of the day it is and should be a choice for any woman.

This "school policy" is just utter rubbish and an example of total stupidity.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Frame57

What is an "Abrahamer"?:hmm:

Abraham was member and moderator in this community until he - retired, let's put it that way. He was known for taking defense of islam in the West, for principal reasons, and to talk down the problems, afgain: for principal reasons. This I mean as no late attack against him, but that simply is, what he did.

Be careful before messing with that reputation of his in this forum, he enjoyed many sympathies and respect here, and there are still many people around who remember him. That includes me, although we had some really messy collisions once or twice.

[Konovalov]

Yes it could have also been a reference to good old Abraham. A fair and just man if ever there was.

[stabiz]

The muslim leaders in Oslo (Norwegian capital) are demanding alcolhol free days on the town.:rotfl:

They basically want all pubs and clubs to be open, say thursdays, but not to sell alchohol. The financial aspect of this was not elaborated on, hehe.

The uproar could be heard in India.

[Hylander_1314]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

OK, so you know me, I'm a liberal, I like Muslims, I dislike all the attacks on them on this forum, and I've been naively thinking that The Muslim Threat is way overblown.

But -

- a short stroll away from my school there's Christi Krybbe elementary school. It lies in the midst of a 'Little Arabia' neighbourhood dominated by Muslim 'guest workers', and the student body is predominately Muslim (89% Muslim, 6% Christian, 7% nonbeliever/other, according to article). Now, the deal is that nearly all of the Muslim girls wear hijabs, the traditional head garment wore by many Muslims around the world.

Now, what makes my blood boil is that the faculty just passed a new rule which for the sake of political correctness requires every female student and faculty member on the school to wear a hijab. That's right, not only ever Muslim girl, every girl - Christian, atheist or otherwise. Lest the Islamic students, who make up the majority of the student body, will feel alienated. You read that right - the Muslim students, who comprise nine out of ten of the student body and mostly speak Arabic tongues and English on campus, could feel alienated. Wearing head garments, the faculty spouts, will also dampen physical appearance and improve the self-esteem of the students. They refer to positive studies on the wearing of such garments and, are you ready, the success of school uniforms in foreign schools, as evidence that students will be happier wearing hijabs while on campus. It's an "excellent example of how we Norwegians can learn from foreign cultures and integrate their values into our society", according to the principal of the school, Bjarte Somethingorother.

And the worst part? This is being ignored. You won't find articles locally or abroad about this - Bergens Tidende, a Bergensian newspaper known for printing human rights stories, ran it on the front page, but few others picked up on it, and the ones who did turned it into a kind of humorous item, which was then laughed at and forgotten about by the readers. People don't care. That students are being forced to wear garments of other religions against their will simply doesn't bother my countrymen. One of my teachers even had the nerve to call my stance ethno-centric and racist when I brought it up in class, saying that this is no different from how non-Christian students are forced to say a Christian prayer before lunch in public schools along with the Christians, unless they bring a note from their parents. Well, let's see - maybe it's different because the students at Christi Krybbe are students of a Norwegian school? Because they can't bring notes from home to be excempted because the hijabs are "dress code"? Because they risk day-long suspension if they fail to show up wearing something to cover up their hair?

Is it just me, or is this Muslim-friendly PC gone mad?

Kristne elever må bære hijab - Bergens Tidende 29/9/08. The link may be expired by now as it's been moved off of the top of the front page. I'll dig up a permalink ASAP.

Safe-Keeper,

PC will be the downfall of western civilization. I think it's time for the people of your country to stand up to this madness. Does your country follow it's laws, or foreign laws? And if the foreigners don't like it, they can leave. They can go home.

Man o man what a shame.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Abraham was member and moderator in this community

I'm kicking myself now. I knew Abraham - via this forum only, of course - and I never made that connection.

However...

Be careful before messing with that reputation of his in this forum...

Is that some kind of warning to Frame57? Because while we may have differences his question seemed genuine enough to me.