Detailed History on WW2 subs

Falkirion · 08-25-08, 07:33 PM

I'm beginning to fall in love with Silent Hunter since I picked up SH4 a couple of weeks ago. Hunting and killing, then sneaking off while the escorts scratch their heads and DC the crap out my last known position is proving to be alot more fun than I thought it would.

Anyway so far my baby the Grayling has served me well, one patrol with 20,000 tons. Second patrol so far has 80 tons sunk, hopefully more to come. I'm just after a detailed history of the boat, Wikipedia hasnt been of too much use beyond a brief overview of her activities during the war. So can anyone point me to somewhere I can find a detailed history on US Subs of WW2?

SteamWake · 08-25-08, 07:46 PM

Someone will come along and point you to books and resources soon enough.

I personally cant help you really in that department. But I can recommend a few movies you might enjoy.

Das Boot of course, Run Silent Run Deep, The compas rose aka The Cruel Sea.

Of course they will also be quick to point out that 20,000 tons on a single patrol is a bit ... unrealistic.

If you are interested in a more 'realistic' play experience you may want to look into the wonderful mod's available. I wont recommend any off hand as there are quite a few to choose from.

Well thats more than you asked for. Enjoy and good luck.

Mush Martin · 08-25-08, 07:53 PM

http://www.esryle.com/coblinks/links/646LINKS.html

Falkirion · 08-25-08, 08:07 PM

Thats the Sturgeon Grayling, not the WW2 sub. SSN designation gives it away. I'm after SS-208 Grayling.

Monica Lewinsky · 08-25-08, 08:12 PM

http://www.powerset.com/explore/go/U...ng-(SS%252D209)

and

http://www.powerset.com/explore/semh...g_%28SS-209%29

and

http://www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/grayling.htm

and finally

http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-grayling-209.htm

If you want the ultimate "Bible" to have on hand of EVERY WWII sub including the S-Boats, buy this book. Some sections go into HIGH detail of EVERY patrol of EVERY sub:

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Victory...9714130&sr=8-1

Around 1,000 pages.

snakeyez · 08-25-08, 08:27 PM

From what I've found, there isn't a lot out there on the Tambor-class submarines from WWII in specific.

For a great overall read of the whole shebang, try "Silent Victory: The US Submarine War Against Japan" by Clay Blair Jr.

There is an upcoming book by Bob Hunt coming out in the Spring of 2009. Bob was a torpedoman on 12 of the USS Tambor's (SS-198) patrols. It has to be some kind of record or something. "We Were Pirates, Robert Hunt: A Torpedoman's View of the Pacific War" by Robert Schultz and James Shell is the name.

http://www.robertschultz.us/nonfiction_wwp.htm

For info on the web, http://www.pigboats.com/ is a great place for unique information. Also, if you want to see JANAC records for each sub (in detail) look at http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japa...-Losses-6.html for lots of info.

For a really great experience, visit a submarine museum. There are around 26 submarine museum boats across the USA, and around 16 of those were part of WWII. You have a choice of 6 Gato, 8 Balao, and 2 Tench class subs to visit. Sadly there are no Tambor class subs anymore (at least not in this country). If you've never visited a submarine museum, you'll be amazed when you do!

Falkirion · 08-25-08, 09:10 PM

Definitely will be taking a trip to war museums during my trip to the states, currently live in Australia but I have plans to visit the US sometime within the next year or two before the shuttle program ends to see one launch.

Orion2012 · 08-25-08, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkirion

Definitely will be taking a trip to war museums during my trip to the states, currently live in Australia but I have plans to visit the US sometime within the next year or two before the shuttle program ends to see one launch.

The Kennedy Space Center was one of the coolest things I've ever experienced.

Don G. Boyer · 09-19-08, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkirion

I'm beginning to fall in love with Silent Hunter since I picked up SH4 a couple of weeks ago. Hunting and killing, then sneaking off while the escorts scratch their heads and DC the crap out my last known position is proving to be alot more fun than I thought it would.

Anyway so far my baby the Grayling has served me well, one patrol with 20,000 tons. Second patrol so far has 80 tons sunk, hopefully more to come. I'm just after a detailed history of the boat, Wikipedia hasnt been of too much use beyond a brief overview of her activities during the war. So can anyone point me to somewhere I can find a detailed history on US Subs of WW2?

Clay Blair, "Silent Victory" in 2 volumes.

Don G. Boyer · 09-19-08, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkirion

I'm beginning to fall in love with Silent Hunter since I picked up SH4 a couple of weeks ago. Hunting and killing, then sneaking off while the escorts scratch their heads and DC the crap out my last known position is proving to be alot more fun than I thought it would.

Anyway so far my baby the Grayling has served me well, one patrol with 20,000 tons. Second patrol so far has 80 tons sunk, hopefully more to come. I'm just after a detailed history of the boat, Wikipedia hasnt been of too much use beyond a brief overview of her activities during the war. So can anyone point me to somewhere I can find a detailed history on US Subs of WW2?

Clay Blair, "Silent Victory" in 2 volumes is a good start. Individual ship histories abound.

Kaleun · 09-20-08, 05:09 AM

hi,

Clay blair's book is excellent, also for specific info on Grayling try

http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/2921.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Grayling_(SS-209)

Sadly as she was sunk:

http://www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/grayling.htm

http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-grayling-209.htm

Kaleun

08-25-08, 07:33 PM	#1
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Detailed History on WW2 subs I'm beginning to fall in love with Silent Hunter since I picked up SH4 a couple of weeks ago. Hunting and killing, then sneaking off while the escorts scratch their heads and DC the crap out my last known position is proving to be alot more fun than I thought it would. Anyway so far my baby the Grayling has served me well, one patrol with 20,000 tons. Second patrol so far has 80 tons sunk, hopefully more to come. I'm just after a detailed history of the boat, Wikipedia hasnt been of too much use beyond a brief overview of her activities during the war. So can anyone point me to somewhere I can find a detailed history on US Subs of WW2?

08-25-08, 07:53 PM	#3
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	http://www.esryle.com/coblinks/links/646LINKS.html __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

08-25-08, 08:12 PM	#5
Monica Lewinsky Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 845 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	http://www.powerset.com/explore/go/U...ng-(SS%252D209) and http://www.powerset.com/explore/semh...g_%28SS-209%29 and http://www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/grayling.htm and finally http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-grayling-209.htm If you want the ultimate "Bible" to have on hand of EVERY WWII sub including the S-Boats, buy this book. Some sections go into HIGH detail of EVERY patrol of EVERY sub: http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Victory...9714130&sr=8-1 Around 1,000 pages. __________________ Sink them all! Last edited by Monica Lewinsky; 08-25-08 at 08:23 PM.

08-25-08, 08:27 PM	#6
snakeyez Last Man Down Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi, USA Posts: 242 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	From what I've found, there isn't a lot out there on the Tambor-class submarines from WWII in specific. For a great overall read of the whole shebang, try "Silent Victory: The US Submarine War Against Japan" by Clay Blair Jr. There is an upcoming book by Bob Hunt coming out in the Spring of 2009. Bob was a torpedoman on 12 of the USS Tambor's (SS-198) patrols. It has to be some kind of record or something. "We Were Pirates, Robert Hunt: A Torpedoman's View of the Pacific War" by Robert Schultz and James Shell is the name. http://www.robertschultz.us/nonfiction_wwp.htm For info on the web, http://www.pigboats.com/ is a great place for unique information. Also, if you want to see JANAC records for each sub (in detail) look at http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/Japa...-Losses-6.html for lots of info. For a really great experience, visit a submarine museum. There are around 26 submarine museum boats across the USA, and around 16 of those were part of WWII. You have a choice of 6 Gato, 8 Balao, and 2 Tench class subs to visit. Sadly there are no Tambor class subs anymore (at least not in this country). If you've never visited a submarine museum, you'll be amazed when you do! __________________ SUBMARINEMUSEUMS.ORG - These are the submarines in your neighborhood! Get involved, they need you. Doyle Blalock - the life of my WWII submarine veteran grandfather. Drum228.org - devoted to the Gato-class museum sub USS Drum (SS-228) complete with war patrol reports, historical info, and restoration progress.

08-25-08, 07:46 PM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Someone will come along and point you to books and resources soon enough. I personally cant help you really in that department. But I can recommend a few movies you might enjoy. Das Boot of course, Run Silent Run Deep, The compas rose aka The Cruel Sea. Of course they will also be quick to point out that 20,000 tons on a single patrol is a bit ... unrealistic. If you are interested in a more 'realistic' play experience you may want to look into the wonderful mod's available. I wont recommend any off hand as there are quite a few to choose from. Well thats more than you asked for. Enjoy and good luck.

08-25-08, 08:07 PM	#4
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Thats the Sturgeon Grayling, not the WW2 sub. SSN designation gives it away. I'm after SS-208 Grayling.

08-25-08, 09:10 PM	#7
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Definitely will be taking a trip to war museums during my trip to the states, currently live in Australia but I have plans to visit the US sometime within the next year or two before the shuttle program ends to see one launch.

09-20-08, 05:09 AM	#11
Kaleun Chief Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 329 Downloads: 266 Uploads: 0	hi, Clay blair's book is excellent, also for specific info on Grayling try http://www.uboat.net/allies/warships/ship/2921.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Grayling_(SS-209) Sadly as she was sunk: http://www.csp.navy.mil/ww2boats/grayling.htm http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-grayling-209.htm Kaleun