Obama opens up his lead

Von Tonner · 06-25-08, 03:32 AM

This has got to be bad news for McCain. After Obama became the presumptive nominee he was expected to get an initial bump up in the polls, which he did, but not by much. He is now building on that and this is without him having all his ducks in a row yet, eg, full staff, organisers, door knockers, roll out, tv ads running, vp selected, appeal for contributions, fund raising etc, etc.

He now leads McCain by 15 points. What this also illustrates is that he is not so reliant on either both or one of the Clintons as some punters would suggest. Bill Clinton has only today come out by declaring his support for Obama while this Friday will be the first time that Hillary goes public with Obama.

If he can come up with a energy policy that the majority of Americans can buy into it will be that much more difficult for McCain to close him out. And while McCain can claim the surge is showing positive results in Iraq, that argument is undermined by the increase in violence in Afghanistan.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...3rc&refer=home

SUBMAN1 · 06-25-08, 10:52 AM

Are these the same polls that showed that Clinton would win this hands down?

Propoganda.

Look at your source to. Bloomburg/LA Times. They are only showing their poll and they are a very left news source.

The other polls are showing about a 3% spread - within the margin of error. This is more normal - http://www.gallup.com/poll/108358/Ga...-46-vs-43.aspx

-S

AVGWarhawk · 06-25-08, 11:04 AM

Tchocky · 06-25-08, 11:44 AM

Bloomberg ain't biased.

Newsweek have similar numbers, a 15-point lead for Obama. Most current polls show a smaller lead.

Any polling this far ahead isn't worth a lot in result forecasting, but it will shape the focus and location of heavy campaigning. Example - More people are identifying as Democratic than Republican, so John McCain is targeting disaffected Dems by spending more ad money in Denver than anywhere else. So it goes.

SUBMAN1 · 06-25-08, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Bloomberg ain't biased.

Bloomburg is owned by the LA Times. So how so?

-S

STEED · 06-25-08, 12:10 PM

Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth.

SUBMAN1 · 06-25-08, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth.

And 10p on the money!

-S

STEED · 06-25-08, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth.

And 10p on the money!

-S

People should read what these guys offer and watch them debating and so on, not base there vote on who is ahead in the polls.

My £2 worth.

AVGWarhawk · 06-25-08, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth.

And 10p on the money!

-S

People should read what these guys offer and watch them debating and so on, not base there vote on who is ahead in the polls.

My £2 worth.

Intellectual thinking at it's best...absolutely Steed, following the polls like lemmings to the sea is ridiculous.

PeriscopeDepth · 06-25-08, 12:42 PM

But interests who donate big money WILL take heed of these polls. And that will cost McCain.

PD

Von Tonner · 06-25-08, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Polls are crap and should all be dismissed.

My 10p worth.

And 10p on the money!

-S

People should read what these guys offer and watch them debating and so on, not base there vote on who is ahead in the polls.

My £2 worth.

Intellectual thinking at it's best...absolutely Steed, following the polls like lemmings to the sea is ridiculous.

Well if intellectual thinking placed a candidate in the White House then what is Bush doing there?

Like it or not, polls drive the 8 'o'clock news and get you noticed and get you elected. Good or bad, that is the real world of politics.

mookiemookie · 06-25-08, 01:10 PM

I wonder if they polled this kid:

geetrue · 06-25-08, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Bloomberg ain't biased.

Bloomburg is owned by the LA Times. So how so?

-S

15 points is a big lead, but who did they ask?

The Los Angeles Times is 90% owned by LDS (Later Day Saints) and you can't trust them.

Von Tonner · 06-25-08, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Bloomberg ain't biased.

Bloomburg is owned by the LA Times. So how so?

-S

15 points is a big lead, but who did they ask?

The Los Angeles Times is 90% owned by LDS (Later Day Saints) and you can't trust them.

Refer previous Tchocky post, it is NOT only LA poll but right across the board of ALL polls. Yea, I understand - it hurts.

mookiemookie · 06-25-08, 01:29 PM

RealClearPolitics average of all the polls shows Obama with a 6.9% lead over McCain

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

06-25-08, 03:32 AM	#1
Von Tonner Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2005 Location: South Africa Posts: 711 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Obama opens up his lead This has got to be bad news for McCain. After Obama became the presumptive nominee he was expected to get an initial bump up in the polls, which he did, but not by much. He is now building on that and this is without him having all his ducks in a row yet, eg, full staff, organisers, door knockers, roll out, tv ads running, vp selected, appeal for contributions, fund raising etc, etc. He now leads McCain by 15 points. What this also illustrates is that he is not so reliant on either both or one of the Clintons as some punters would suggest. Bill Clinton has only today come out by declaring his support for Obama while this Friday will be the first time that Hillary goes public with Obama. If he can come up with a energy policy that the majority of Americans can buy into it will be that much more difficult for McCain to close him out. And while McCain can claim the surge is showing positive results in Iraq, that argument is undermined by the increase in violence in Afghanistan. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...3rc&refer=home

06-25-08, 10:52 AM	#2
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Are these the same polls that showed that Clinton would win this hands down? Propoganda. Look at your source to. Bloomburg/LA Times. They are only showing their poll and they are a very left news source. The other polls are showing about a 3% spread - within the margin of error. This is more normal - http://www.gallup.com/poll/108358/Ga...-46-vs-43.aspx -S __________________

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06-25-08, 11:44 AM	#4
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Bloomberg ain't biased. Newsweek have similar numbers, a 15-point lead for Obama. Most current polls show a smaller lead. Any polling this far ahead isn't worth a lot in result forecasting, but it will shape the focus and location of heavy campaigning. Example - More people are identifying as Democratic than Republican, so John McCain is targeting disaffected Dems by spending more ad money in Denver than anywhere else. So it goes. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-25-08, 12:10 PM	#6
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Polls are crap and should all be dismissed. My 10p worth. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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PeriscopeDepth Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Pacific NW Posts: 1,894 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	But interests who donate big money WILL take heed of these polls. And that will cost McCain. PD

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06-25-08, 01:29 PM	#15
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	RealClearPolitics average of all the polls shows Obama with a 6.9% lead over McCain http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/ __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.