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Old 06-14-08, 02:43 PM   #1
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Default Nurse Awarded $7M After Being Jailed for Saving Cop

Good for her! Gee, we can't find the cops weapon, so you must have stolen it! What kind of BS is that?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367014,00.html

A second take on it:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,4630555.story


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Old 06-14-08, 05:11 PM   #2
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Let the son of a ***** die then. A life means less than a gun...
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Old 06-14-08, 05:26 PM   #3
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Wow way to encourage citizens to come to the aid of the police.

Why would the police even go there? Here was a person who came to the aid of officer's down and this is their reaction?

Just because something is missing does not mean that this person took it.

Was the weapon found on the nurse?

Where there witnesses that said the nurse took the weapon?

Did the police conduct a through search of the accident scene to determine if the weapon was in the wreckage or thrown out of the vehicle?

This has to be the most circumstantial case.

And if how the nurse was treated in jail is true (she may be exaggerating her story), what the police did was.. well.. criminal.

7 mill is a lot go give her, but we don't know how much of this 7 mill was punitive.

I guess no good deed goes unpunished in Chicago.

I wonder how the police department will feel when their next officer involved in an accident bleeds to death or burns to death because no one wanted to take the risk of being falsely arrested and held for 10 months.
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Old 06-14-08, 05:35 PM   #4
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Trust me. I've had dealings with the ATF for example, and when i thought I was helping out, they totally turned me off from 'ever' helping them again. They are evil and will destroy you to get what they want. Plain and simple. Never again.

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Old 06-14-08, 05:39 PM   #5
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I fear that there are many federal agencies with the same "customer relations"

It is not good when the government assumes that citizens are the enemy.
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Old 06-14-08, 06:57 PM   #6
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I'd qualify that slightly: It's not good when the government assumes anything.
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I'd qualify that slightly: It's not good when the government assumes anything.
But they create think tanks so that they can assume everything - what an oxymoron.

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Old 06-14-08, 10:02 PM   #8
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Trust me. I've had dealings with the ATF for example, and when i thought I was helping out, they totally turned me off from 'ever' helping them again. They are evil and will destroy you to get what they want. Plain and simple. Never again.

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Getting burned for doing the right thing really screws us up. Out of curiosity, do you even bother going out of your way to help people anymore due to your experience?

I know for damn sure that I avoid helping others because I got burned doing it. It just isn't worth it to me.
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Old 06-14-08, 10:54 PM   #9
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Getting burned for doing the right thing really screws us up. Out of curiosity, do you even bother going out of your way to help people anymore due to your experience?

I know for damn sure that I avoid helping others because I got burned doing it. It just isn't worth it to me.
It is getting to that point, but I wouldn't dream of not helping a neighbor, though helping for the greater good has been damaged.

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Old 06-14-08, 11:21 PM   #10
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Good for her! Gee, we can't find the cops weapon, so you must have stolen it! What kind of BS is that?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,367014,00.html

A second take on it:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...,4630555.story


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There is a lot more to the story, but the media here will slant it against the police anytime they can. Ms. Jackson is not a certified nurse in the state of Illinois. 2nd a witness gave a hand written and recanted later in court. It was also this same witness who observed the disarming of the unconcious officer and observed him passing the duty weapon to another that led to those two taken into custody and the weapon being recovered, rather then it being used later to harm an individual. The neighborhood is called Engelwood, try a search using that and violent crime. Might be enlightening.

My only parting thought for all is this: you see two people that were involved in a really bad car crash, one is alive but out completely, the other is dazed but concious. Would you attempt to assist the one who has no way of helping you get them out of the car first? Or the other that may be able to assist you in their rescue???? Think long and hard on this one.
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Old 06-15-08, 05:51 PM   #11
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You're right 1480, there's more to this story then the small article. We're not being told the whole story. If it happened the way the story was wrote, there never would have been a booking and 10 months in jail......As much as some peolple want you to believe everything and everyone is bad, it's still gonna take just a litttle bit more than what this story is showing
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Old 06-16-08, 07:14 AM   #12
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Well, 'there's no smoke without fire' as they say.

As others have indicated, getting involved with anything these days carries a good deal more 'risk' than it seems it used to. Helping out your neighbours is one thing, helping a complete stranger in the street... you take your life into your hands sometimes with such acts of altruism. As for helping the police, well I cannot say that I would go much out of my way to do that. It's well known that they (the police) help themselves at the expense of ordinary people; "when the chips are down they close rank" and that's coming from an ex-police marksman/firearms specialist with over 15 years of experience.

It's a far cry from Dixon of Dock Green and the old style idea of a policeman as a helpful and respectful public servant who's a likeable fellow with impeccable integrity who occasionally dished out a thick ear to the local scallywags. Such figures were respected. I can't say I have the same impression of today's lot.
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Old 06-16-08, 03:21 PM   #13
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There's a few left that are like that.....provided they've managed to survive modern beaureaucracy.
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Old 06-16-08, 05:30 PM   #14
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There's a few left that are like that.....provided they've managed to survive modern beaureaucracy.
You hit it right on the nail Yahoshua, Doesn't seems like society wants the job done anymore. Just walk the beat, do the time, don't get involved, it's easier that way...............What a shame........
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Old 06-16-08, 06:08 PM   #15
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Well, 'there's no smoke without fire' as they say....
Not in this media hyped world! Quite the contrary!

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