Uboat availibility

[Red9Iron]

Playing GWX2.0 sh3commander..

I have started playing with the new GWX mod. I am in the year '40 and I am still in the 1st Flotilla.. I have enough renown for the VIIB but it is not available.. Does GWX or SH3commander randomize availablillity of boats? If not, why is this not available to me?

On a side note, I started the career without moving over the cfg files for GWX 2+ SH3Commander..I did move them over tho.. Could this effect my problem?

Thanks for reading..

[gord96]

not sure what is going on there. you should be able to have the type VII when the war starts in 39.

[Red9Iron]

Originally Posted by gord96

not sure what is going on there. you should be able to have the type VII when the war starts in 39.

Great. I guess this leaves the opportunity for me to update to 2.1


Sheesh ..with all the updates and my install mess ups.. I will never get past 1940

[Jimbuna]

Make sure you have the historic U-boat availability enabled in Commander.

[Red9Iron]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Make sure you have the historic U-boat availability enabled in Commander.

Thanks guys..the problem is now fixed..It had to do with not putting the cfg files in and that I had U-boat availbility enabled.. I rolled back SHcommander and fixed the cfg files and all is well...

[Subject]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Make sure you have the historic U-boat availability enabled in Commander.

Sorry Jim, but that contradicts what the Manual says (p. 45).
I had the same problem last night when trying to get my IXD2 in -42. SH3 Commander only would let me have one from Jan. 43...

Think I finally got it "right" after enabling dates, exiting SH3Cmdr. and then back to diasable dates again and this time all dates were correct.

Have experienced this before with clean installs, where it's like if Sh3Cmdr. won't "catch" the dates... if you know what I mean.

Btw. it is only when you play in the 30th/33rd Flotilla that "Availability Dates" must be enabled in Sh3Cmdr!

[bigboywooly]

Originally Posted by Subject

Sorry Jim, but that contradicts what the Manual says (p. 45).
I had the same problem last night when trying to get my IXD2 in -42. SH3 Commander only would let me have one from Jan. 43...

Think I finally got it "right" after enabling dates, exiting SH3Cmdr. and then back to diasable dates again and this time all dates were correct.

Have experienced this before with clean installs, where it's like if Sh3Cmdr. won't "catch" the dates... if you know what I mean.

Btw. it is only when you play in the 30th/33rd Flotilla that "Availability Dates" must be enabled in Sh3Cmdr!

You should only be able to get the IXD2 in Jan 43
SH3commander is correct on those dates

GWX 2.0

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

GWX 2.1

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

[KptLt Lindemann]

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

You should only be able to get the IXD2 in Jan 43
SH3commander is correct on those dates

GWX 2.0

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

GWX 2.1

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

According to uboat.net, some IXD2's were assigned to front line flottillas as early as Sep '42. Just wondering which dates are correct.

[Subject]

Lüth picked up his U-181 in the beginning of May 42.
Shakedown and training in 4th Flotilla 'till Sep. 42. First frontline patrol Oct. 1 1942.

"My" boat (as sig) was commissoned to Ibekken mid Feb. 42 with first frontline duty in Sep. 42...

Btw. I would love to simulate that way of getting your boat. Pick it up in Bremen or one of the other wharfs and then take it out for testing (perhaps sent through Naval Academy?) before being transferred to the final Flotilla for frontline patrols. I don't know however if it's possible to have a scenario like this implemented in GWX though?

And re. SH3Cmdr. then I can get a IXD2 from mid 42 iirc... seems like a right compromise.

[JScones]

SH3commander is correct on those dates

GWX 2.0

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

GWX 2.1

Version3=3 ; IXD2
Name3=IXD2
Month3=1
Year3=1943

Just on a point of semantics, these dates are not stored in SH3Cmdr, they are stored in GWX's Basic.cfg. They are the default GWX dates and are not linked to SH3Cmdr in any way.

With the GWX supplied "U-boat availability.cfg" file and the associated SH3Cmdr "Use historic U-boat availability dates" option selected, the only IXD2 date changes are in 2 Flotilla (removed altogether) and 33 Flotilla (moved to August 1944 after 30 Flotilla ceases). These changes are historically correct, as the SH3Cmdr option implies. As no changes are stipulated for any other Flotilla, the GWX default date of Jan 1943 remains in play.

I just want to clear that up as I don't want to see the finger being erroneously pointed at SH3Cmdr, that is, assuming there even is a problem.

[Subject]

Sorry to bump, but feel it's necessary to ensure you that I did not want to point finger at anyone!

Only urged by the manual's Introduction Page: "Our goal is historical accuracy, so please let us know if you see something is missing, or requires correction or change".

I still fail to see, why Jan. 43 is chosen, but nevermind. It's corrected on my end now!

[Tessa]

Originally Posted by Subject

Sorry to bump, but feel it's necessary to ensure you that I did not want to point finger at anyone!

Only urged by the manual's Introduction Page: "Our goal is historical accuracy, so please let us know if you see something is missing, or requires correction or change".

I still fail to see, why Jan. 43 is chosen, but nevermind. It's corrected on my end now!

Actually the first sailing of a IXD2 in an active patrol was U-179 in August of 1942. There are a number of inaccuracies with some of the boat dates, but I'm still researching them to be 100% sure. There's some reference books that I'm having to have my local library locate. I found a great book today when looking through the National Archives, but as it's out of print would have to send an official request to the Library of Congress where they'll send the book to the closest presedential library where I can view it there.

I think the major problem with finding boats available before they are ingame is that while a single boat may have sailed a combat patrol, it hadn't been officially assigned to a flotilla yet till a later date. i.e. the 2nd Flotilla didn't officially get VIIB's assigned to them till 41; but many boats did dock there and go right back out on patrol.

While some boats may be off by a month or two (both ways), overall its pretty accurate and lenient. Otherwise you wouldn't see the VIIC/41 till 4/44 and the XXI till 5/45. Sailing and sinking stuff is the meat of the game, sacrificing some of the pure historical records in order to allow the advanced ships playable is a fair trade off. Sailing the same VIIC or IXD2 for 3-6 years gets rather boring.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by Subject

Sorry to bump, but feel it's necessary to ensure you that I did not want to point finger at anyone!

Actually, I wasn't thinking of anyone in particular. I just didn't want SH3Cmdr to become a red herring in the discussion.

Originally Posted by Subject

Only urged by the manual's Introduction Page: "Our goal is historical accuracy, so please let us know if you see something is missing, or requires correction or change".

I still fail to see, why Jan. 43 is chosen, but nevermind. It's corrected on my end now!

Certainly, by my records, 10 Flotilla* had "active" IXD2's prior to Jan 1943 (2 and 30/33 Flotillas are corrected when using the SH3Cmdr option, otherwise they'd be wrong too, but that is an SH3 limitation and not a GWX fault). I dunno why GWX has the date as late as it is (whilst I made the original Flotilla.cfg changes, I didn't adjust the u-boat dates in Basic.cfg), but I'm sure they have their reasons. I'm happy with that. I don't need to have the latest boat on the earliest date - it didn't always happen like that in RL.

Anyway, the good thing about SH3 is that if you aren't happy, you can change it, as you have done.

*One thing to remember though, in GWX, from Jan 1943, 10 Flotilla represents the three Flotillas that sent boats to the Indian Ocean, viz 10, 12 and 33.