Finished with SH4 (Just kidding!)

Dmsdmullins · 04-01-08, 03:02 PM

After nearly a year of patching, reinstalling, searching forums, and tweaking settings on two different computers, with no sucsess, I am finished with SH4. In my opinion, this is the worst written, most unstable game Ive ever bought. Ive contacted Ubi for a refund but based on there past track record concerning SH4 and other game support, not only with me but with literally hundreds and hundreds of other people using their products, I have serious doubts that my request will even be acknowledged much less granted. I have no doubt some people have little or no trouble with the game but based on the days and days of researching forums here, at ubi techsupport, and countless others, Ive concluded that the game is a completely defective product. I know some people would argue my points some to no end and I respectfully consider their oppinions of value but this Im afraid has worn my patience to the end. Just my two cents...

kylesplanet · 04-01-08, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmsdmullins

After nearly a year of patching, reinstalling, searching forums, and tweaking settings on two different computers, with no sucsess, I am finished with SH4. In my opinion, this is the worst written, most unstable game Ive ever bought. Ive contacted Ubi for a refund but based on there past track record concerning SH4 and other game support, not only with me but with literally hundreds and hundreds of other people using their products, I have serious doubts that my request will even be acknowledged much less granted. I have no doubt some people have little or no trouble with the game but based on the days and days of researching forums here, at ubi techsupport, and countless others, Ive concluded that the game is a completely defective product. I know some people would argue my points some to no end and I respectfully consider their oppinions of value but this Im afraid has worn my patience to the end. Just my two cents...

If you would tell us the problem we might be able to help. There are lots of good people here.

Quillan · 04-01-08, 03:07 PM

Well, I understand your frustration, though I disagree with your opinion. I've personally seen far worse in the way of unfinished or buggy games, and have few problems with this one. I don't understand why you feel the need to make your single post here stating that you're giving up on the game, but good luck to you with other games in the future.

howler93 · 04-01-08, 03:09 PM

I would be one of those that would be inclined to argue, but instead, I'll just say that I'm sorry SH4 was unable to deliver for you

Allow me to suggest the Opposing Fronts expansion for Company of Heroes (If you're looking for another game). Very stable, no mods or tweaks needed... If you ever decide to give SH4 another go, we'll be here to help however we can

Cheers,
Howler

rik007 · 04-01-08, 03:15 PM

People in this forum are very willing but if your first and only post is that you had it with SH4 that is obviously impossible. Good luck!

Dmsdmullins · 04-01-08, 03:32 PM

My troubles are relentless crashing in the game... Ive researched threads of people with the same or simillar troubles on this site and probably all the others, made the updates, edits, and tweaks as advised and suggjested. The crashes are relentless, often after a crash the game will continue to crash when trying to go back to a save point requiring me to either start a mission from scratch or reinstall the game and all the updates. I realize this being my first post that it may appear I have given up with little effort, but im passive by nature and I assure you Im fairly literate with the nature of software and computers and have spent due time researching, updating, tweaking, editing, and reinstalling to fix the issues. I really love the game, or the short amounts of time that I get to play it, but time is money and Ive spent an incredibly rediculous amount of time trying to fix, in my opinion, defective software. Dont mean to rant, just want to share my expierence for others who are having simillar problems with no resolve.

Dmsdmullins · 04-01-08, 03:35 PM

btw, can anyone recomend another subsim game?

miner1436 · 04-01-08, 03:35 PM

Can you post your system specs?

rrmelend · 04-01-08, 03:40 PM

Not really sure what the purpose of this post is? If you want help you need to ask for it first. I've discovered the answer to a few of the problems I've had by posting questions and then following the advice I've been given. As kylesplanet and miner1436 have said, if you post your specific problems (when exactly does it crash, what were you doing, what mods do you have running, have you patched the game) and your specs people might be able to help.

AVGWarhawk · 04-01-08, 03:43 PM

Let us know your system. Searching the forums is usually your first best way to go but you will not always find the answer to your problem. Sometimes the problem can be specific to your system. Let us know what you have running the game and what is happening when the CTD happens. No one likes to lose a crewman

Takeda Shingen · 04-01-08, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmsdmullins

After nearly a year of patching, reinstalling, searching forums, and tweaking settings on two different computers, with no sucsess, I am finished with SH4. In my opinion, this is the worst written, most unstable game Ive ever bought. Ive contacted Ubi for a refund but based on there past track record concerning SH4 and other game support, not only with me but with literally hundreds and hundreds of other people using their products, I have serious doubts that my request will even be acknowledged much less granted. I have no doubt some people have little or no trouble with the game but based on the days and days of researching forums here, at ubi techsupport, and countless others, Ive concluded that the game is a completely defective product. I know some people would argue my points some to no end and I respectfully consider their oppinions of value but this Im afraid has worn my patience to the end. Just my two cents...

Okay.

Dmsdmullins · 04-01-08, 03:54 PM

Lets see here...

1st comp
Asus a8n-sli mobo
amd 2800 fx x2 64bit cpu
2gig kingston ram 3-3-3-8 timing (stock)
x2 Nvida 7600 gt vid cards w/4 displays (locks on one display or any combination there after, sli on or off)
800w power supply (cant remember manufacturer) but more power than required
on board realtec ac97 sound & emulated altec lansing. Tried both
380g sata hd (game is on two different partitions using two different operating sys's.)
running 64bit xp pro on one partition and 32bit xp standard on another

All drivers updated... Crashes with all voltages, clock freqs, etc stock/or oc'd.
I rarely have trouble with any other software and can run most at max settings... SH4 will soft/hard lock at minimums. My system setup is extreamly stable with settings resonably set. all temps run low, case and hardware is well ventillated.

2nd is a toshiba satellite laptop, 1.7 pentium, 1 gig ram, 80gig ide drive, xp standard, all stock no mods. Drivers are all current but this is the only game I have on it. I use it for school and rarely anything else.

I can give more specifics if needed on drivers bios etc...

Rockin Robbins · 04-01-08, 03:56 PM

Your computer is not.

Silent Hunter 4 is and has been the most solid, forgiving, and works better with Windows conventions than any game I've encountered, including, but not limited to Renegade, the whole Command and Conquer series, Pacific Storm, Unreal Tournament III, Halo, Battlefield 2, the Roller Coaster Tycoon series or Silent Hunter III. I know there are others I can't think of right now.

The one thing Subsim has conspicuously NOT been plagued with is any rash of complaints about CTDs.

Therefore come down off your high horse, you could fall and hurt yourself. If you just want to blame something and abrogate any responsibility for fixing your problem, you have a right to do that. Have a nice life and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We won't be wasting our time mourning your loss.

But if you want help, quit yer crocodile tears and false bravado and ask for help. Nobody who has done that here has not learned what the problem really is and had the opportunity to fix it.

If you just want to raise hell, there are other forums that will tolerate that. We don't. Where's that middle finger smiley?:rotfl:

jdkbph · 04-01-08, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dmsdmullins

btw, can anyone recomend another subsim game?

Well, you see, there's the rub... and why we swallow... errrr... put up with so much "nonsense" from companies like UBI. The sub sim cupboard is unfortunately quite bare.

There's SH3... but that's another UBI product. After that you're left with a half baked WWI sim (Shells of Fury) and a few decent modern era sims - Dangerous Waters and Sub Command - neither of which can match the visual splendor of SH4, but both good in their own right.

As to your SH4 woes...

With all due respect to your computer skills and experience, one of the things that struck me about this game is that it is surprisingly processor (both CPU and GPU) intensive... far more so than the quality or visual impact of the graphics might suggest. This leads to some rather uncommon issues, such as heat problems and power problems, that while not a problem in many other (seemingly more taxing games), will manifest as graphics artifacts, GPFs, and even hard lock ups in this game.

Now you haven't given us anything to work with... so I'll assume you're running a fairly typical configuration (ie, not running WINE or Windows emulation on a Mac

), and that you've gone through your event logs, done driver and DX updates, tried disabling AV temporarily, verified adequate drive space for your page file, checked your memory timings, and all the standard troubleshooting stuff... so this is just a shot in the dark. But if you havent already you may want to try to troubleshoot specifically for these two potential issues and see if you can't isolate the cause of your problem.

Good luck.

JD

tedhealy · 04-01-08, 04:02 PM

I thought this was an April Fool post:rotfl:

Then I see you are serious. All I can say is in the course of over a year with the game and the various patches, I have had maybe 10 total CTDs or lock ups. I'd say half of those were directly due to mods. The other half I'm unsure what caused them. If there's one thing I can't complain about with this game, it's stability. With SH3 I remember saving every few days just in case something happened, in SH4 the thought never even crosses my mind to save just in case I get a CTD and lose progress.

As they say, I think the problem is on your end.

04-01-08, 03:02 PM	#1
Dmsdmullins Watch Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Finished with SH4 (Just kidding!) After nearly a year of patching, reinstalling, searching forums, and tweaking settings on two different computers, with no sucsess, I am finished with SH4. In my opinion, this is the worst written, most unstable game Ive ever bought. Ive contacted Ubi for a refund but based on there past track record concerning SH4 and other game support, not only with me but with literally hundreds and hundreds of other people using their products, I have serious doubts that my request will even be acknowledged much less granted. I have no doubt some people have little or no trouble with the game but based on the days and days of researching forums here, at ubi techsupport, and countless others, Ive concluded that the game is a completely defective product. I know some people would argue my points some to no end and I respectfully consider their oppinions of value but this Im afraid has worn my patience to the end. Just my two cents...

04-01-08, 03:07 PM	#3
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Well, I understand your frustration, though I disagree with your opinion. I've personally seen far worse in the way of unfinished or buggy games, and have few problems with this one. I don't understand why you feel the need to make your single post here stating that you're giving up on the game, but good luck to you with other games in the future. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

04-01-08, 03:40 PM	#9
rrmelend Medic Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 162 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Not really sure what the purpose of this post is? If you want help you need to ask for it first. I've discovered the answer to a few of the problems I've had by posting questions and then following the advice I've been given. As kylesplanet and miner1436 have said, if you post your specific problems (when exactly does it crash, what were you doing, what mods do you have running, have you patched the game) and your specs people might be able to help. __________________

04-01-08, 03:43 PM	#10
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,279 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Let us know your system. Searching the forums is usually your first best way to go but you will not always find the answer to your problem. Sometimes the problem can be specific to your system. Let us know what you have running the game and what is happening when the CTD happens. No one likes to lose a crewman __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

04-01-08, 03:56 PM	#13
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	The game is stable Your computer is not. Silent Hunter 4 is and has been the most solid, forgiving, and works better with Windows conventions than any game I've encountered, including, but not limited to Renegade, the whole Command and Conquer series, Pacific Storm, Unreal Tournament III, Halo, Battlefield 2, the Roller Coaster Tycoon series or Silent Hunter III. I know there are others I can't think of right now. The one thing Subsim has conspicuously NOT been plagued with is any rash of complaints about CTDs. Therefore come down off your high horse, you could fall and hurt yourself. If you just want to blame something and abrogate any responsibility for fixing your problem, you have a right to do that. Have a nice life and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We won't be wasting our time mourning your loss. But if you want help, quit yer crocodile tears and false bravado and ask for help. Nobody who has done that here has not learned what the problem really is and had the opportunity to fix it. If you just want to raise hell, there are other forums that will tolerate that. We don't. Where's that middle finger smiley?:rotfl: __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

04-01-08, 03:09 PM	#4
howler93 Medic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Telluride, Colorado Posts: 162 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I would be one of those that would be inclined to argue, but instead, I'll just say that I'm sorry SH4 was unable to deliver for you Allow me to suggest the Opposing Fronts expansion for Company of Heroes (If you're looking for another game). Very stable, no mods or tweaks needed... If you ever decide to give SH4 another go, we'll be here to help however we can Cheers, Howler

04-01-08, 03:15 PM	#5
rik007 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 785 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	People in this forum are very willing but if your first and only post is that you had it with SH4 that is obviously impossible. Good luck!

04-01-08, 03:32 PM	#6
Dmsdmullins Watch Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	My troubles are relentless crashing in the game... Ive researched threads of people with the same or simillar troubles on this site and probably all the others, made the updates, edits, and tweaks as advised and suggjested. The crashes are relentless, often after a crash the game will continue to crash when trying to go back to a save point requiring me to either start a mission from scratch or reinstall the game and all the updates. I realize this being my first post that it may appear I have given up with little effort, but im passive by nature and I assure you Im fairly literate with the nature of software and computers and have spent due time researching, updating, tweaking, editing, and reinstalling to fix the issues. I really love the game, or the short amounts of time that I get to play it, but time is money and Ive spent an incredibly rediculous amount of time trying to fix, in my opinion, defective software. Dont mean to rant, just want to share my expierence for others who are having simillar problems with no resolve.

04-01-08, 03:35 PM	#7
Dmsdmullins Watch Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	btw, can anyone recomend another subsim game?

04-01-08, 03:35 PM	#8
miner1436 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 808 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 3	Can you post your system specs?

04-01-08, 03:54 PM	#12
Dmsdmullins Watch Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 25 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Lets see here... 1st comp Asus a8n-sli mobo amd 2800 fx x2 64bit cpu 2gig kingston ram 3-3-3-8 timing (stock) x2 Nvida 7600 gt vid cards w/4 displays (locks on one display or any combination there after, sli on or off) 800w power supply (cant remember manufacturer) but more power than required on board realtec ac97 sound & emulated altec lansing. Tried both 380g sata hd (game is on two different partitions using two different operating sys's.) running 64bit xp pro on one partition and 32bit xp standard on another All drivers updated... Crashes with all voltages, clock freqs, etc stock/or oc'd. I rarely have trouble with any other software and can run most at max settings... SH4 will soft/hard lock at minimums. My system setup is extreamly stable with settings resonably set. all temps run low, case and hardware is well ventillated. 2nd is a toshiba satellite laptop, 1.7 pentium, 1 gig ram, 80gig ide drive, xp standard, all stock no mods. Drivers are all current but this is the only game I have on it. I use it for school and rarely anything else. I can give more specifics if needed on drivers bios etc...

04-01-08, 04:02 PM	#15
tedhealy Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA Posts: 772 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I thought this was an April Fool post:rotfl: Then I see you are serious. All I can say is in the course of over a year with the game and the various patches, I have had maybe 10 total CTDs or lock ups. I'd say half of those were directly due to mods. The other half I'm unsure what caused them. If there's one thing I can't complain about with this game, it's stability. With SH3 I remember saving every few days just in case something happened, in SH4 the thought never even crosses my mind to save just in case I get a CTD and lose progress. As they say, I think the problem is on your end.