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Old 03-11-08, 02:49 PM   #1
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Iraq Surplus???

With billions being spent on Iraq by various countries involved, this was an interesting find.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...tml#cnnSTCText
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Old 03-11-08, 03:07 PM   #2
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The last I checked, it was the western bombs that blew up most of the towns, so naturally it isnt Iraq's problem to pay for it.
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Old 03-11-08, 03:09 PM   #3
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
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Old 03-11-08, 03:25 PM   #5
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
So if the fire department knocks out your windows or smashes holes in your ceiling while putting out a fire you think they should pay to repair it?
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Old 03-11-08, 03:28 PM   #6
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
So if the fire department knocks out your windows or smashes holes in your ceiling while putting out a fire you think they should pay to repair it?
Now, you know that this is a different case. Now, this would apply if the Iraqis asked you to go there and blow up their country, which I'm pretty sure they didnt.
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Now, you know that this is a different case. Now, this would apply if the Iraqis asked you to go there and blow up their country, which I'm pretty sure they didnt.

Really? IIRC there were plenty of expat Iraqi groups wanting our intervention to save them from Saddams tender mercies (which BTW we should have done way back in '91) and secondly Saddam practically begged us to attack him with his constant threats to use WMD and his attacks on coalition forces patrolling the no fly zones?

But seriously how would you react when your enemy constantly violates the cease fire agreement he signed? There's a lot of Europeans who like to pretend that Saddams regime was the best thing since sliced bread but you know in your heart of hearts it's better that he was removed from power.
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
I would if they came to save my butt and make it a better country to live in. The oil now belongs to the people. Not just the one.
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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
So if the fire department knocks out your windows or smashes holes in your ceiling while putting out a fire you think they should pay to repair it?
That's a pretty generous metaphor...

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Iraq is worth billions in oil. They certainly can pay for reconstruction and then some.
But why should they? Would you pay if I'd come to your house and wreck it?
So if the fire department knocks out your windows or smashes holes in your ceiling while putting out a fire you think they should pay to repair it?
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With billions being spent on Iraq by various countries involved, this was an interesting find.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080311/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...tml#cnnSTCText
We aren't ever going to see a dime for all the money we spent in that country, IMO. But hey, what's half a trillion or so between friends, right?

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I was under the impression that the allies (in particular US companies) had benifitted with pretty huge reconstruction and rebuilding contracts across the country
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I was under the impression that the allies (in particular US companies) had benifitted with pretty huge reconstruction and rebuilding contracts across the country
US companies benefitted. But those companies were paid by the US government. And Iraq has become a black hole financially for the US government, IMO. It just sucks and sucks and sucks...

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I was under the impression that the allies (in particular US companies) had benifitted with pretty huge reconstruction and rebuilding contracts across the country
US companies benefitted. But those companies were paid by the US government. And Iraq has become a black hole financially for the US government, IMO. It just sucks and sucks and sucks...

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Old 03-12-08, 08:45 AM   #15
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Wasn't Colin Powell who told Bush that if you break Iraq you've bought it?

Am I missing something or do both articles not mention how large the actual surplus is?
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