Seriously, is it just me.....

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 12:54 PM

or is everyone else in the US getting the pinch on the wallet? Does Bush really think we are not heading into a recession? I guess he is turning off all the lights not in use at the White House, conserving water and Air Force One is grounded until historical high costs in oil stablize? The President's Limo is now replaced with a hybrid? Let the stimulus package and STUFF start working. Heck George, I think the STUFF you are sending out is called money and I think it will be available to me in September. That will be just about 7 months after everyone's homes are foreclosed. Enjoy your retirement George, shut out the lights and turn off the main water supply to the White House before you leave.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4359200

Come on Bush, get out in the real world for a change.

geetrue · 02-28-08, 01:14 PM

You can vent on Bush ... everyone else does.

Oil is over $100 a barrel ... corn is over $10 a bushel due to it's new use for fuel.

Wheat has gone sky high with bread selling at almost $4.00 for a single quality loaf.

Doesn't take much sense to see that the real problem is OPEC controled by your know who ... that's right our enemy.

They don't get along with each other that's for sure, but they don't like all of our fighting men and machines being in their back yard either.

In effect they are saying don't bomb Iran or things will get worse.

EU dollar is now worth $1.50 US ... someone has figured out a way to manipulate what currency is worth.

You have to be smarter than me to figure out how that happened.

I do know that the populations overseas have been paying over $4 and $5 a gallon for fuel for a long time. No sympathy from overseas that's for sure.

President Bush retires in 10 months and we will know who his replacement is in just about 8 more months.

I wouldn't blame Mr Bush ... I would blame the sign of the times.

He didn't cause all of those people to purchase homes with a variable interest rate who coul not afford the time to read the small print.

(Your payments will increase as prime goes up)

If the country was doing great ... would you then say, "Oh we have such a good president"

I don't think so ...

I love my president ... I defend him and I respect him.

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 01:35 PM

The blame is not on Bush by me, it is the statements he is saying that the US is not headed into a recession. At the rate the goverment is dropping interest rates we should be at 0% by next week. Makes no difference as daily, credit reports of Americans are going into the crapper. Mostly their fault as America lives on the credit card and the revolving minimum charge. The housing industry is in the dumps and this credited to the banks who created the debacle. The banks are not going to hand out loans on homes to individuals on the edge of being able to afford a home. The lending industry is under the scope now. Aside the fact I made fun of Georges STUFF comment, I put no blame on George. Do I believe George was handed a crappy set of cards at the beginning of his second term? Sure do. So, please go over my post again and you will find I did not blame George.

What I'm saying is he is way out of touch. Besides, we have been going into a recession since Sept 2007. It is only getting worse by the day.

geetrue · 02-28-08, 01:54 PM

I hear what your saying warhawk ...

I'm sorry I jumped on you ...

now it's my turn for someone to jump on me, probably, but you just couldn't do that when I was in the Navy ...

You know talk bad about the Commander in Chief.

I guess it stuck with me ... I even saw on television 10 years ago sailors giving Clinton the finger on an aircraft carrier for his views on gays in the military.

I couldn't believe they got away with it ...

Your forgiven

ReallyDedPoet · 02-28-08, 02:00 PM

@geetrue

So is Democracy following your leader blindly or having the basic right to question his or her motives regarding various issues of the day. I'll take the latter ( and I am not talking as it relates to the military, rather as it relates to the governance of a population of people ).

To me that is not disrespecting your country, rather following the very principles it was founded on.

RDP

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geetrue

I hear what your saying warhawk ...

I'm sorry I jumped on you ...

now it's my turn for someone to jump on me, probably, but you just couldn't do that when I was in the Navy ...

You know talk bad about the Commander in Chief.

I guess it stuck with me ... I even saw on television 10 years ago sailors giving Clinton the finger on an aircraft carrier for his views on gays in the military.

I couldn't believe they got away with it ...

Your forgiven

You can not forgive me for someting I did not do.:rotfl: I respect the guy. Let's face it, reading a book to kids and finding out the world trade centers were just destroyed by two hijacked commercial aircraft is a really really really bad day for the president. Personally, I think Clinton would have folded under such circumstances. Not many Presidents have faced what George did. And really, for all the things people do dump on George, have we seen another attack here in the States? Nope. That is a good thing and a job well done by George. No one will ever give George an atta'boy for that. But come on, does George not see the country is sliding deeper?

geetrue · 02-28-08, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by reallydedpoet

@geetrue

So is Democracy following your leader blindly or having the basic right to question his or her motives regarding various issues of the day. I'll take the latter ( and I am not talking as it relates to the military, rather as it relates to the governance of a population of people ).

To me that is not disrespecting your country, rather following the very principles it was founded on.

RDP

As a civilian you have a right to question the leader of your country,
but in the military your service record gets marks in it.

Example: Everyone below President Johnson had to bomb what he said to bomb
and to stay clear of what he said not to bomb.

He was the Commander in Chief ... it took forty years before I realized he was wrong.

But back to the price of everything: gas = $3.42, bread is $3.69, chicken is $8.49 a bag up from $6.59 18 months ago.

Now that's something worth being angry about ...

Tchocky · 02-28-08, 02:31 PM

I love hearing Americans giving out about high gas prices.

No offense guys, just...wow

On the economy at present - I give credit to GWB for doing something about it, it would be easy to leave it for whoever gets in in November. However, the measures passed were very, very wrong. Do something, George, but don't do that

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 03:12 PM

Quote:

I love hearing Americans giving out about high gas prices.

No offense guys, just...wow

There is nothing wrong with high gas prices as long as the cost of living ratio can be met by the income ratio. Say for example, you are paying $4.50/gallon. Next day you are paying $5.75/gallon. You would feel the pinch. Income is not keeping pace with inflation. For example, electricity costs in the state of Maryland jumped 75%. This in one fell swoop. It was not gradual increase. Taxes in this state all went up and by a large margin. It is not the fact that gas is going up, it is the fact we see no end in sight of it stablizing. Also, other goods and services go up at the same time as a result of fuel prices rising. Normally, we absorb this and move on but adding in rising taxes on sales of goods, gas, cigarettes, alcohol, property and utility increases, the cost of living ratio has now tilted to the negative as salary has not increased along with inflation.

No offense taken. When somewhere in ruins of Europe were you live, gas goes up two fold. I think that would make you stand up and say what is going on here. It is only natural.

Sea Demon · 02-28-08, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

I love hearing Americans giving out about high gas prices.

No offense guys, just...wow

No offense taken. I agree. I scratch my head everytime I hear Americans whine and moan over high gas prices. Especially when our supply is continually less than what we consumers demand. We do have a solution to the problem. I know the enviro's don't like it, but we have to increase the supply. It's amazing what happens to the cost of any commodity once you meet demand with adequate supply. If you want to blame anyone for high gas prices, blame those who make policy on reducing our supply and those that block domestic production.

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 03:52 PM

Bush did attempt to get supply up with his trip a few weeks back to the suppliers. Geetru has a good point, OPEC don't like us playing in their backyard.

Sea Demon · 02-28-08, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Bush did attempt to get supply up with his trip a few weeks back to the suppliers. Geetru has a good point, OPEC don't like us playing in their backyard.

Yeah, I think we should produce more from our own backyard. That would boost supply from our own resources. And don't import more people into our nation than what our resources can supply. That's another problem altogether. Yet it's also a factor. The OPEC suppliers are unreliable, that's why I'm not talking about increasing our supply from those sources. We need to put those suppliers out to pasture IMO. Anyway, OPEC and oil aside, that's not the only reason we are there. But it does seem to be one of them.

AVGWarhawk · 02-28-08, 04:47 PM

Sea Demon,

Does it seem to you that the oil we do generate here is hoarded? I know there are stategic reservse but just how much? Was it Katrina when they opened up the valve and let some out? Do we really need to depend on outside sources or are we just busy draining them dry? When done we laugh at them as we sit on a fat tank of oil?

NEON DEON · 02-28-08, 05:49 PM

I just got this from a good source that the White has sold its big black limos and ordered 2 dozen armor plated Toyota Prius.

gumbeau · 02-28-08, 08:38 PM

If gasoline is a major percentage of your monthly expenses, enough that this increase in prices is putting a crimp in your budget then you have bigger problems than worrying about a recession.

You need to get your personal house in order. Give up the internet and that should cover the difference in gas price. Or your cell phone. Or your hard wired phone. Or your cable TV/Sat TV subscription. Or about a dozen other things.

My stepson told me the other day that his step mother made him deliver food to 'poor' people as part of a church activities a few years ago when he was over there. The 'poor' had televisions worth thousands of dollars, yet were accepting church donated food.

He questioned the stepmother who responded 'they can't be held responsible for not knowing how to manage their money'.

Needless to say the boy is solidly Republican now.

BTW, a recession is two quarters back to back of negative growth. We probably just got OUT of one.

And yes, there are lots of foreclosures in my neighborhood too. They are all people who bought far too much house for their income. Bad decision making. Any house more than twice your annual salary is a bad idea.

02-28-08, 12:54 PM	#1
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,256 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Seriously, is it just me..... or is everyone else in the US getting the pinch on the wallet? Does Bush really think we are not heading into a recession? I guess he is turning off all the lights not in use at the White House, conserving water and Air Force One is grounded until historical high costs in oil stablize? The President's Limo is now replaced with a hybrid? Let the stimulus package and STUFF start working. Heck George, I think the STUFF you are sending out is called money and I think it will be available to me in September. That will be just about 7 months after everyone's homes are foreclosed. Enjoy your retirement George, shut out the lights and turn off the main water supply to the White House before you leave. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4359200 Come on Bush, get out in the real world for a change. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-28-08, 01:14 PM	#2
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	You can vent on Bush ... everyone else does. Oil is over $100 a barrel ... corn is over $10 a bushel due to it's new use for fuel. Wheat has gone sky high with bread selling at almost $4.00 for a single quality loaf. Doesn't take much sense to see that the real problem is OPEC controled by your know who ... that's right our enemy. They don't get along with each other that's for sure, but they don't like all of our fighting men and machines being in their back yard either. In effect they are saying don't bomb Iran or things will get worse. EU dollar is now worth $1.50 US ... someone has figured out a way to manipulate what currency is worth. You have to be smarter than me to figure out how that happened. I do know that the populations overseas have been paying over $4 and $5 a gallon for fuel for a long time. No sympathy from overseas that's for sure. President Bush retires in 10 months and we will know who his replacement is in just about 8 more months. I wouldn't blame Mr Bush ... I would blame the sign of the times. He didn't cause all of those people to purchase homes with a variable interest rate who coul not afford the time to read the small print. (Your payments will increase as prime goes up) If the country was doing great ... would you then say, "Oh we have such a good president" I don't think so ... I love my president ... I defend him and I respect him. __________________

02-28-08, 01:35 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,256 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	The blame is not on Bush by me, it is the statements he is saying that the US is not headed into a recession. At the rate the goverment is dropping interest rates we should be at 0% by next week. Makes no difference as daily, credit reports of Americans are going into the crapper. Mostly their fault as America lives on the credit card and the revolving minimum charge. The housing industry is in the dumps and this credited to the banks who created the debacle. The banks are not going to hand out loans on homes to individuals on the edge of being able to afford a home. The lending industry is under the scope now. Aside the fact I made fun of Georges STUFF comment, I put no blame on George. Do I believe George was handed a crappy set of cards at the beginning of his second term? Sure do. So, please go over my post again and you will find I did not blame George. What I'm saying is he is way out of touch. Besides, we have been going into a recession since Sept 2007. It is only getting worse by the day. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road Last edited by AVGWarhawk; 02-28-08 at 01:46 PM.

02-28-08, 01:54 PM	#4
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I hear what your saying warhawk ... I'm sorry I jumped on you ... now it's my turn for someone to jump on me, probably, but you just couldn't do that when I was in the Navy ... You know talk bad about the Commander in Chief. I guess it stuck with me ... I even saw on television 10 years ago sailors giving Clinton the finger on an aircraft carrier for his views on gays in the military. I couldn't believe they got away with it ... Your forgiven __________________

02-28-08, 02:00 PM	#5
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	@geetrue So is Democracy following your leader blindly or having the basic right to question his or her motives regarding various issues of the day. I'll take the latter ( and I am not talking as it relates to the military, rather as it relates to the governance of a population of people ). To me that is not disrespecting your country, rather following the very principles it was founded on. RDP __________________ Back in the Day

02-28-08, 02:31 PM	#8
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	I love hearing Americans giving out about high gas prices. No offense guys, just...wow On the economy at present - I give credit to GWB for doing something about it, it would be easy to leave it for whoever gets in in November. However, the measures passed were very, very wrong. Do something, George, but don't do that __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

02-28-08, 03:52 PM	#11
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,256 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Bush did attempt to get supply up with his trip a few weeks back to the suppliers. Geetru has a good point, OPEC don't like us playing in their backyard. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-28-08, 04:47 PM	#13
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,256 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Sea Demon, Does it seem to you that the oil we do generate here is hoarded? I know there are stategic reservse but just how much? Was it Katrina when they opened up the valve and let some out? Do we really need to depend on outside sources or are we just busy draining them dry? When done we laugh at them as we sit on a fat tank of oil? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-28-08, 05:49 PM	#14
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	I just got this from a good source that the White has sold its big black limos and ordered 2 dozen armor plated Toyota Prius. __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

02-28-08, 08:38 PM	#15
gumbeau Watch Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 17 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	If gasoline is a major percentage of your monthly expenses, enough that this increase in prices is putting a crimp in your budget then you have bigger problems than worrying about a recession. You need to get your personal house in order. Give up the internet and that should cover the difference in gas price. Or your cell phone. Or your hard wired phone. Or your cable TV/Sat TV subscription. Or about a dozen other things. My stepson told me the other day that his step mother made him deliver food to 'poor' people as part of a church activities a few years ago when he was over there. The 'poor' had televisions worth thousands of dollars, yet were accepting church donated food. He questioned the stepmother who responded 'they can't be held responsible for not knowing how to manage their money'. Needless to say the boy is solidly Republican now. BTW, a recession is two quarters back to back of negative growth. We probably just got OUT of one. And yes, there are lots of foreclosures in my neighborhood too. They are all people who bought far too much house for their income. Bad decision making. Any house more than twice your annual salary is a bad idea.