Getting a old Navy ships seaworthy

elite_hunter_sh3 · 01-30-08, 02:52 PM

what does it take to get lets say a old 60s-70s era destroyer or cruiser seaworthy (from those "ghost fleet") shipyards.. :hmm:, in terms of manpower , money , time etc..

AVGWarhawk · 01-30-08, 02:56 PM

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Getting the ship out of mothballs, sandblasted, painted and suitable for public display would cost more than $5 million, he said, but he thinks ship-repair specialists and veterans would donate time and resources.

From this article:

http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.a...8-05-0287.html

Note, this is not to get it really seaworthy so multiply the $5 million x2....

elite_hunter_sh3 · 01-30-08, 03:00 PM

also talking about engine maintanence, plumbing, electrical systems, hydraulic systems etc.. pretty much to turn it back into a destroyer without the weapons.. :hmm:

01-30-08, 03:05 PM

I would say that nearly all the stuff on that kind of a boat could be gutted and replaced with newer, and more advanced stuff for a cheaper price. I mean why would you want to get an old destroyer (unless it was for nostalgic reasons)and least not have something better about it.

elite_hunter_sh3 · 01-30-08, 03:10 PM

roam around in international waters being a pirate??

, i think it would be cool , having 20- 30 of your best friends commanding a ship, scaring pple on cruise ships when we steam near them and warn them on a loudspeaker

AVGWarhawk · 01-30-08, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

roam around in international waters being a pirate??

, i think it would be cool , having 20- 30 of your best friends commanding a ship, scaring pple on cruise ships when we steam near them and warn them on a loudspeaker

They do that now and with guns....no need for me to do it as well.

Etienne · 01-31-08, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

roam around in international waters being a pirate??

, i think it would be cool , having 20- 30 of your best friends commanding a ship, scaring pple on cruise ships when we steam near them and warn them on a loudspeaker

It'll be especially funny when the navy shows up. Trust me, those cruise ships folks take their security seriously and have little sense of humour. (Well, in that kind of situation anyway)

If you what the bring the ship up to being operated by civillians, the cost would probably be comparable to the cost of getting a new ship.

I'd say about 20 millions, if you're not bringing the ship up to SOLAS standards. Remember, everytime you add "Marine" at the end of an order, the price doubles.

seafarer · 01-31-08, 01:40 PM

I found this article interesting.

The USS New Jersey cost $7.3 million in her 2000 restoration prior to being berthed at Camden as a museum. At the time, the US Navy estimated that the cost of returning her to active duty was well over $100 million (according to the Washington Post), although the cost of keeping her in Naval Registry Class B Mobilization status was less then $150,000.00 per year (the same state that the USS Wisconsin is kept in - all interior spaces sealed up and the internal atmosphere kept dry and clean).

I know in 2003 Taiwan bought 4 mothballed US Kidd-class destroyers for USD $785 Million USD (they'd been mothballed for a couple of decades by then). The $785 million included the cost of de-mothballing/restoring them to active duty status, upgrades, plus spares and such, so I don't know what the actual cost of just getting them seaworthy again was.

P.S. anyone know how much it cost to restore the SS Jeremiah O'Brien or SS John W. Brown to seagoing condition?

CCIP · 01-31-08, 02:59 PM

If you want to do that, the best idea would be to just build a mockup - probably a lot cheaper to convert an old merchant hull to resemble a cruiser from the outside, and you don't have to go into the expenses of getting all the systems working. Let's face it, do you really need the heavy weapons, detection equipment and such on that thing? Sure it'd be cool, but being pragmatic... the moment you try to use them, for whatever reason, you'll probably be sunk by the nearest navy unit that will hopelessly outclass you :p And if you want to be safe from pirates, some small arms would do.

SteminDemon13 · 01-31-08, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

what does it take to get lets say a old 60s-70s era destroyer or cruiser seaworthy (from those "ghost fleet") shipyards.. :hmm:, in terms of manpower , money , time etc..

Are you nonchalantly trying to recruit some members to run a ship you want to buy? What class or Tin Can or straw bottomed cruiser are you trying to get up and running?

Before you figure in any costs you would have to inspect the entire ship? How was she laid up? How were the boilers, turbines and auxiliary equipment layed up? Was cathodic protection used? Dehumidification?.....There are many variables. Say if the ship was a fletcher, or gearing class? The ship has four B&W M-Type boilers and four geared turbines. If the ship was a Knox, then she had 1200 PSI boilers, 2 of them to boot, or if it is a Leahy then 4 1200 pounders and 2 shafts. If it was a Garcia class DE, (later FF) than she had two Pressurized Furnace 1200 PSI boilers which are totaly different than any of the boilers mentioned above, also you should make sure Pharis E. Williams 1978 improved baffle design was implemented (it was to prevent undue tube breakage) which I believe all P-Type boilers recieved.

So if its gearing, lets see..... fire room:Messenger, Pumpman, Burnerman, Checkman, Blowerman (the FDB's are located on each side of the boiler in a little compartment with a hatch), BTOW. engine room:Messenger, MMOW, Throttleman Machinists Mate Lower Level, EPCP, evap watch (watches DFT also), TG watch and that should be the gist of it for that stick plant.

Garcia is easier, those plants were automated preety well. 3 wide range burners on the P-Types did all the work for you, no need to cut them in and out.

Tell us what ship, then I may volunteer

Marcantilan · 02-01-08, 08:36 AM

The vast majority of those ships have asbestos for insulation of pipes.

Don´t count me in...

SteminDemon13 · 02-01-08, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcantilan

The vast majority of those ships have asbestos for insulation of pipes.

Don´t count me in...

I guess you have never been involved in asbestos removal then? Safety and PPE is key, anyone who would just run arround ripping out the stuff is looney. Maybe after we safely remove the asbestos, then can we count you in?

swifty · 02-01-08, 04:37 PM

Also keep in mind you will have to shell out at least $100,000 in fuel every time you want to go out.

You might want to start out with something smaller. I know a guy who built a modified WWII PT boat. He used the same haul and modified the top for use as a pleasure yacht. The thing is a tank. He uses aluminum in set of wood like the original. During Hurricane Katrina he didn't take any precautions and just left it tied up a usual in the slip it ended up destroying a wooden post and the only damage it received was messing up the paint job. It's quite impressive because when the fiberglass yachts tried the post won by putting a 3 ft hole in them. Last I herd he was trying to sell it. It wouldn't cost much to convert it into a PT boat. Just a thought.

Jimbuna · 02-01-08, 04:54 PM

It would be nice to sail off the African coast and give them pirates what for

Ishmael · 02-03-08, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SteminDemon13

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Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

what does it take to get lets say a old 60s-70s era destroyer or cruiser seaworthy (from those "ghost fleet") shipyards.. :hmm:, in terms of manpower , money , time etc..

Are you nonchalantly trying to recruit some members to run a ship you want to buy? What class or Tin Can or straw bottomed cruiser are you trying to get up and running?

Before you figure in any costs you would have to inspect the entire ship? How was she laid up? How were the boilers, turbines and auxiliary equipment layed up? Was cathodic protection used? Dehumidification?.....There are many variables. Say if the ship was a fletcher, or gearing class? The ship has four B&W M-Type boilers and four geared turbines. If the ship was a Knox, then she had 1200 PSI boilers, 2 of them to boot, or if it is a Leahy then 4 1200 pounders and 2 shafts. If it was a Garcia class DE, (later FF) than she had two Pressurized Furnace 1200 PSI boilers which are totaly different than any of the boilers mentioned above, also you should make sure Pharis E. Williams 1978 improved baffle design was implemented (it was to prevent undue tube breakage) which I believe all P-Type boilers recieved.

So if its gearing, lets see..... fire room:Messenger, Pumpman, Burnerman, Checkman, Blowerman (the FDB's are located on each side of the boiler in a little compartment with a hatch), BTOW. engine room:Messenger, MMOW, Throttleman Machinists Mate Lower Level, EPCP, evap watch (watches DFT also), TG watch and that should be the gist of it for that stick plant.

Garcia is easier, those plants were automated preety well. 3 wide range burners on the P-Types did all the work for you, no need to cut them in and out.

Tell us what ship, then I may volunteer

Why stop with a can or cruiser when USS Iowa is still available at the Boneyard in Suisun Bay off my home town of Benicia:

The Vallejo Naval and Historical Museum is trying to raise funds to restore her for a museum on Mare Island where USS California(BB-44) was built, The only battleship built on the west coast. Last year I met a retired Chief Gunners Mate who was mount 51 captain aboard her from Pearl Harbor to V-J day. He was awarded two Bronze Stars, one for Surigao Straits and the other for Lingayen Gulf when his mount was hit by a kamikaze and he single-handedly evacuated the mount and flooded the mount magazine saving the ship.

01-30-08, 02:52 PM	#1
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Getting a old Navy ships seaworthy what does it take to get lets say a old 60s-70s era destroyer or cruiser seaworthy (from those "ghost fleet") shipyards.. :hmm:, in terms of manpower , money , time etc..

01-31-08, 01:40 PM	#8
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I found this article interesting. The USS New Jersey cost $7.3 million in her 2000 restoration prior to being berthed at Camden as a museum. At the time, the US Navy estimated that the cost of returning her to active duty was well over $100 million (according to the Washington Post), although the cost of keeping her in Naval Registry Class B Mobilization status was less then $150,000.00 per year (the same state that the USS Wisconsin is kept in - all interior spaces sealed up and the internal atmosphere kept dry and clean). I know in 2003 Taiwan bought 4 mothballed US Kidd-class destroyers for USD $785 Million USD (they'd been mothballed for a couple of decades by then). The $785 million included the cost of de-mothballing/restoring them to active duty status, upgrades, plus spares and such, so I don't know what the actual cost of just getting them seaworthy again was. P.S. anyone know how much it cost to restore the SS Jeremiah O'Brien or SS John W. Brown to seagoing condition? __________________ My Father's ship, HMCS Waskesiu (K330), sank U257 on 02/24/1944 running SHIII-1.4 with GWX2.1 and SHIV-1.5 with TMO/RSRDC/PE3.3 under MS Vista Home Premium 32-bit SP1 ACER AMD Athlon 64x2 4800+, 4GB DDR2 RAM, 400GB SATA HD Antec TruePower Trio 650watt PSU BFG GeForce 8800GT/OC 512MB VRAM, Samsung 216BW widescreen (1680x1050) LCD

01-31-08, 02:59 PM	#9
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	If you want to do that, the best idea would be to just build a mockup - probably a lot cheaper to convert an old merchant hull to resemble a cruiser from the outside, and you don't have to go into the expenses of getting all the systems working. Let's face it, do you really need the heavy weapons, detection equipment and such on that thing? Sure it'd be cool, but being pragmatic... the moment you try to use them, for whatever reason, you'll probably be sunk by the nearest navy unit that will hopelessly outclass you :p And if you want to be safe from pirates, some small arms would do. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

02-01-08, 08:36 AM	#11
Marcantilan Weps Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 374 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	The vast majority of those ships have asbestos for insulation of pipes. Don´t count me in... __________________ Ultima Ratio Regis

02-01-08, 04:54 PM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It would be nice to sail off the African coast and give them pirates what for __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-30-08, 03:00 PM	#3
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	also talking about engine maintanence, plumbing, electrical systems, hydraulic systems etc.. pretty much to turn it back into a destroyer without the weapons.. :hmm:

01-30-08, 03:05 PM	#4
Urspankd Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I would say that nearly all the stuff on that kind of a boat could be gutted and replaced with newer, and more advanced stuff for a cheaper price. I mean why would you want to get an old destroyer (unless it was for nostalgic reasons)and least not have something better about it.

01-30-08, 03:10 PM	#5
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	roam around in international waters being a pirate?? , i think it would be cool , having 20- 30 of your best friends commanding a ship, scaring pple on cruise ships when we steam near them and warn them on a loudspeaker

02-01-08, 04:37 PM	#13
swifty Soundman Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: S. Florida Posts: 141 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	Also keep in mind you will have to shell out at least $100,000 in fuel every time you want to go out. You might want to start out with something smaller. I know a guy who built a modified WWII PT boat. He used the same haul and modified the top for use as a pleasure yacht. The thing is a tank. He uses aluminum in set of wood like the original. During Hurricane Katrina he didn't take any precautions and just left it tied up a usual in the slip it ended up destroying a wooden post and the only damage it received was messing up the paint job. It's quite impressive because when the fiberglass yachts tried the post won by putting a 3 ft hole in them. Last I herd he was trying to sell it. It wouldn't cost much to convert it into a PT boat. Just a thought.