Hiroshima Harbor Photo Op

jack23011 · 01-30-08, 04:12 PM

What a great sim this is! One issue I have similar to the Yokohama scenario is getting anywhere near Hiroshima let alone halfway through the inlet. I have carefully charted the depth and distances as I go but even in the deeper troughs when sitting on the bottom all-stop / rigged-for-silent / I still get dc'd. Now, maybe it's just me being all Hollywood but I figure in this situation the destroyer should not "see" me with that era's technology as I would be seen as ocean geography. Any ideas? The other odd thing I noticed is that ALL 4 destroyers leave the convoy for hours and hours trying to find and dc my boat. This seems counter to most tactical doctrine--if there were two subs the convoy would be completely exposed. ANYWAY, I would like to complete the photo op but am very frustrated. Just hate to blow it off even though it is 300+/- points. Any ideas on the Hiroshima leg would be helpful.

M. Sarsfield · 01-30-08, 04:16 PM

Are you running silent? There's a good post on sonar and detection in the SHIII forum that covers technology, depth, and profile as factors in being detected.

Linavitch · 01-30-08, 04:23 PM

I've lost 2 subs trying to do that stupid, f&^%$$g mission.

I got assigned it as a third objective on my last patrol and just ignored it. One was Dec '44 so I was extreeeemly upset.

eatmafish · 01-30-08, 04:54 PM

try to sneak in under the moon. thats what i did last time in hiroshima and sunk an anchored Shokaku

..try not surface and watch out for coast artillery. good luck .

Quillan · 01-31-08, 10:19 AM

It certainly seems to me that in both SH3 and SH4, any destroyer that gets within about 300-400 yards of you automatically detects you. They find me if I'm moving or if I'm stationary. I can be sitting on the bottom with silent running on, pointing directly at them, and they'll stll pick me up. Keep your distance.

Sailor Steve · 01-31-08, 10:27 AM

WELCOME ABOARD, jack23011

They should have more trouble finding you when you lie on the bottom. Also, the sand should absorb some of the shock, making it easier for you to survive. On the other hand, they shouldn't be assigning you recon missions in Japanese harbors, and shallow water and air patrols should make it nearly impossible to get in and out of them, or even near them.

jack23011 · 01-31-08, 01:10 PM

I was thinking the same thing about the mission. Running a Gato Class to photograph Hiroshima harbor seems a bit of a one way trip regardless of running up under night time or day time conditions. The stock ocean geography while pretty to look at isn't accurate. As you approach the middle inlet to harbor I should think there would be MORE sand not larger rocks and more of them. Thanks to all for the tips and sympathy...

FIREWALL · 01-31-08, 01:24 PM

Hi jack23011

That's a tough mission. I like to save those in my Hard Missions file I created, and go back at a later time and try it over and over until I succeed to see what works and what doesn't.

I guess I don't like to lose.

kylesplanet · 01-31-08, 08:27 PM

RSRDC Mod will cure these ills.

01-30-08, 04:12 PM	#1
jack23011 Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belleville, IL Posts: 10 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hiroshima Harbor Photo Op What a great sim this is! One issue I have similar to the Yokohama scenario is getting anywhere near Hiroshima let alone halfway through the inlet. I have carefully charted the depth and distances as I go but even in the deeper troughs when sitting on the bottom all-stop / rigged-for-silent / I still get dc'd. Now, maybe it's just me being all Hollywood but I figure in this situation the destroyer should not "see" me with that era's technology as I would be seen as ocean geography. Any ideas? The other odd thing I noticed is that ALL 4 destroyers leave the convoy for hours and hours trying to find and dc my boat. This seems counter to most tactical doctrine--if there were two subs the convoy would be completely exposed. ANYWAY, I would like to complete the photo op but am very frustrated. Just hate to blow it off even though it is 300+/- points. Any ideas on the Hiroshima leg would be helpful.

01-30-08, 04:16 PM	#2
M. Sarsfield Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,016 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Are you running silent? There's a good post on sonar and detection in the SHIII forum that covers technology, depth, and profile as factors in being detected. __________________ MJS USS Batfish Volunteer/Reenactor www.ss310.com www.ussbatfish.com Communism killed over 100M people and all that I got was this lousy signature.* *http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

01-30-08, 04:23 PM	#3
Linavitch Officer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hull Posts: 239 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 0	I've lost 2 subs trying to do that stupid, f&^%$$g mission. I got assigned it as a third objective on my last patrol and just ignored it. One was Dec '44 so I was extreeeemly upset. __________________ Like music only more painful http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndID=108090746

01-31-08, 10:19 AM	#5
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	It certainly seems to me that in both SH3 and SH4, any destroyer that gets within about 300-400 yards of you automatically detects you. They find me if I'm moving or if I'm stationary. I can be sitting on the bottom with silent running on, pointing directly at them, and they'll stll pick me up. Keep your distance. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

01-31-08, 10:27 AM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	WELCOME ABOARD, jack23011 They should have more trouble finding you when you lie on the bottom. Also, the sand should absorb some of the shock, making it easier for you to survive. On the other hand, they shouldn't be assigning you recon missions in Japanese harbors, and shallow water and air patrols should make it nearly impossible to get in and out of them, or even near them. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-30-08, 04:54 PM	#4
eatmafish Loader Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 86 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	try to sneak in under the moon. thats what i did last time in hiroshima and sunk an anchored Shokaku ..try not surface and watch out for coast artillery. good luck .

01-31-08, 01:10 PM	#7
jack23011 Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Belleville, IL Posts: 10 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I was thinking the same thing about the mission. Running a Gato Class to photograph Hiroshima harbor seems a bit of a one way trip regardless of running up under night time or day time conditions. The stock ocean geography while pretty to look at isn't accurate. As you approach the middle inlet to harbor I should think there would be MORE sand not larger rocks and more of them. Thanks to all for the tips and sympathy...

01-31-08, 01:24 PM	#8
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Hi jack23011 That's a tough mission. I like to save those in my Hard Missions file I created, and go back at a later time and try it over and over until I succeed to see what works and what doesn't. I guess I don't like to lose. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

01-31-08, 08:27 PM	#9
kylesplanet Commodore Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 629 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	RSRDC Mod will cure these ills. __________________