ASW tactics, I was wondering

Kristian2 · 12-27-07, 08:08 AM

Not that it is difficult enough to escape, but I was wondering whether destroyers (in GWX) also shutdown their engines in the vicinity of a U-boot and just sit and wait. I believe this was one of the tactics deployed by Walker, who sank the most U-boots in the Atlantic (not by sitting and waiting alone appearantly).

danlisa · 12-27-07, 08:11 AM

They certainly will.

This occurs more often when 2 or more escorts are searching for you. 1 will listen for you while the other conducts DC runs.

That's when it gets really dangerous and tricky to escape.

Kristian2 · 12-27-07, 08:46 AM

I haven't played any campaigns yet

(still reading the manual), but in single mission "Malta" I experienced similar behaviour but I wasn't sure they actual shutdown the engine (there was still smoke I thought).
This particular mission in GWX2 crashes before "noch nicht so lange her". I see no problem with it in the missioneditor, it also happened in another single mission.

edtench · 01-24-08, 02:39 PM

This week I have had the misfortune to encounter a cargo convoy and a destroyer task force in the same vicinity (albeit going in slightly different directions). I sank two destroyers right away, thinking that the convoy had perhaps 3 destroyers as escorts. What I didn't know was that there was a destroyer taskforce also, with 5 or 6 more destroyers of various types. My boldness got me into some deep doodoo.

Anyway, I have spent about 3 hours of real time trying to get away from this net. It's amazing how well the destroyers seem to cooperate with each other (i.e., good AI in SH3) in locating my sub and then attacking it.

Lucky for me, the sun is beginning to go down so I will be able to go to periscope depth and hopefully make my getaway.

Jimbuna · 01-24-08, 02:53 PM

They are often very reminiscent of the tactics that were practiced to near perfection by Johnny Walker and similar ASW groups

TarJak · 01-24-08, 06:26 PM

For a good view of British DD and escort tactics during the Battle of the Atlantic, read U-Boat Killer by Capt. Donald Macintyre. He describes how the "creeping attack" as they called it was developed which involved one DD sitting quite listening on hydrophones whilst others actively pinged and DC'd the target u-boat.

Kpt. Lehmann · 01-25-08, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edtench

This week I have had the misfortune to encounter a cargo convoy and a destroyer task force in the same vicinity (albeit going in slightly different directions). I sank two destroyers right away, thinking that the convoy had perhaps 3 destroyers as escorts. What I didn't know was that there was a destroyer taskforce also, with 5 or 6 more destroyers of various types. My boldness got me into some deep doodoo.

Anyway, I have spent about 3 hours of real time trying to get away from this net. It's amazing how well the destroyers seem to cooperate with each other (i.e., good AI in SH3) in locating my sub and then attacking it.

Lucky for me, the sun is beginning to go down so I will be able to go to periscope depth and hopefully make my getaway.

Welcome to Subsim, edtench.

ReallyDedPoet · 01-25-08, 07:57 AM

Welcome to SUBSIM

edtench

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12-27-07, 08:08 AM	#1
Kristian2 Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 46 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	ASW tactics, I was wondering Not that it is difficult enough to escape, but I was wondering whether destroyers (in GWX) also shutdown their engines in the vicinity of a U-boot and just sit and wait. I believe this was one of the tactics deployed by Walker, who sank the most U-boots in the Atlantic (not by sitting and waiting alone appearantly).

12-27-07, 08:11 AM	#2
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	They certainly will. This occurs more often when 2 or more escorts are searching for you. 1 will listen for you while the other conducts DC runs. That's when it gets really dangerous and tricky to escape. __________________

01-24-08, 02:53 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	They are often very reminiscent of the tactics that were practiced to near perfection by Johnny Walker and similar ASW groups __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-25-08, 07:57 AM	#8
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,884 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Welcome to SUBSIM edtench RDP __________________ Back in the Day

12-27-07, 08:46 AM	#3
Kristian2 Sailor man Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Netherlands Posts: 46 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I haven't played any campaigns yet (still reading the manual), but in single mission "Malta" I experienced similar behaviour but I wasn't sure they actual shutdown the engine (there was still smoke I thought). This particular mission in GWX2 crashes before "noch nicht so lange her". I see no problem with it in the missioneditor, it also happened in another single mission.

01-24-08, 02:39 PM	#4
edtench Bilge Rat Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	This week I have had the misfortune to encounter a cargo convoy and a destroyer task force in the same vicinity (albeit going in slightly different directions). I sank two destroyers right away, thinking that the convoy had perhaps 3 destroyers as escorts. What I didn't know was that there was a destroyer taskforce also, with 5 or 6 more destroyers of various types. My boldness got me into some deep doodoo. Anyway, I have spent about 3 hours of real time trying to get away from this net. It's amazing how well the destroyers seem to cooperate with each other (i.e., good AI in SH3) in locating my sub and then attacking it. Lucky for me, the sun is beginning to go down so I will be able to go to periscope depth and hopefully make my getaway.

01-24-08, 06:26 PM	#6
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	For a good view of British DD and escort tactics during the Battle of the Atlantic, read U-Boat Killer by Capt. Donald Macintyre. He describes how the "creeping attack" as they called it was developed which involved one DD sitting quite listening on hydrophones whilst others actively pinged and DC'd the target u-boat.