Sick former SS officer

STEED · 12-13-07, 03:40 PM

Stand by to be sicken by this swine, what made me feel sick was his clinical no regrets what so ever.

Unrepentant Nazi, 84, calls Auschwitz a 'ten star hotel' and tells Dachau victim 'you survived well'

Konovalov · 12-13-07, 03:45 PM

From the article, "he manages to draw pensions from three countries."

That's just for starters.

Ducimus · 12-13-07, 04:53 PM

Wow, this defies beleif. This is the sort of thing you'd see as a tabloid headliner - right up there with "i was abducted by space aliens"

Letum · 12-13-07, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Wow, this defies beleif. This is the sort of thing you'd see as a tabloid headliner - right up there with "i was abducted by space aliens"

The tabloids in the UK would never claim that without Princess Diana, Madeline Mccann,
pedophiles, "political correctness" and the evils of the EU/foreigners in the headline.

SUBMAN1 · 12-13-07, 05:27 PM

Maybe he isn't sick? Maybe the killing hadn't started when he was a gaurd? I'd hear him out before casting judgement. Maybe he firmly believes that the killing was all a lie? You never know.

-S

STEED · 12-13-07, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Maybe he firmly believes that the killing was all a lie? You never know.

David Irving.

Biggles · 12-13-07, 05:38 PM

Quite amazing to see such arrogance in such an old body, that must've lived a long life and must've seen quite a big chunk of things.

bookworm_020 · 12-13-07, 05:39 PM

I remember seeing a documentary on Auschwitz where they talked to survivors and also to some of the guards that ran the camp. It was chilling to see that the guards had no remorse for their actions. Many of the guards managed to avoid jail terms for their crimes.

Some tried to justified it by saying they were following orders, or that's how it was back then. Some didn't really care about what they had done or how they had profitied from the misery inflicted on others.

SUBMAN1 · 12-13-07, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

...Some tried to justified it by saying they were following orders, or that's how it was back then. Some didn't really care about what they had done or how they had profitied from the misery inflicted on others.

I'd say being shot for failing to follow orders may have been a strong motivator!

They probably were just following orders.

-S

CCIP · 12-13-07, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Maybe he isn't sick? Maybe the killing hadn't started when he was a gaurd? I'd hear him out before casting judgement. Maybe he firmly believes that the killing was all a lie? You never know.

-S

I don't think there's anything to hear. Sure, he can talk all he likes, but "firmly believing", unlike what some people assume, doesn't make things go away. He's been a criminal ever since he joined a Nazi party organization, let alone a camp-guard branch of it, and on the topic of the crime he has no say after he's been proven guilty. Zero.

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

...Some tried to justified it by saying they were following orders, or that's how it was back then. Some didn't really care about what they had done or how they had profitied from the misery inflicted on others.

I'd say being shot for failing to follow orders may have been a strong motivator!

They probably were just following orders.

-S

Joining the SS was a conscious choice on his part. It wasn't by any stretch a conscript organization. Were he in any other German branch of service, that'd possibly work. With the SS, that's no excuse. He knew exactly what their job was and he didn't get it by being a passive collaborator with the Nazi cause.

SUBMAN1 · 12-13-07, 06:43 PM

What was their job? To me, that is just that you are a member of the party, which doesn't automatically make you guilty. If that is the case, half the world should be jailed for being with the wrong party of some sort. How many Russians should we jail for working with Stalin or affiliate party?

Last I checked, the US even let go the driver for Bin Laden. He worked for Bin Laden, so he should probably be hanged under your idea of justice.

-S

Happy Times · 12-13-07, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CCIP

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Maybe he isn't sick? Maybe the killing hadn't started when he was a gaurd? I'd hear him out before casting judgement. Maybe he firmly believes that the killing was all a lie? You never know.

-S

I don't think there's anything to hear. Sure, he can talk all he likes, but "firmly believing", unlike what some people assume, doesn't make things go away. He's been a criminal ever since he joined a Nazi party organization, let alone a camp-guard branch of it, and on the topic of the crime he has no say after he's been proven guilty. Zero.

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

...Some tried to justified it by saying they were following orders, or that's how it was back then. Some didn't really care about what they had done or how they had profitied from the misery inflicted on others.

I'd say being shot for failing to follow orders may have been a strong motivator!

They probably were just following orders.

-S

Joining the SS was a conscious choice on his part. It wasn't by any stretch a conscript organization. Were he in any other German branch of service, that'd possibly work. With the SS, that's no excuse. He knew exactly what their job was and he didn't get it by being a passive collaborator with the Nazi cause.

My wiews.

SS camp guards cant deny they didnt know about what was going on.
But Waffen SS on the otherhand doesnt make you automatically a war crimiminal.
And Waffen SS had concription also, this was acknowledged in the Nurnberg trial.
The NKVD btw did more crimes than Waffen SS. If we agree in that NSDAP was a criminal party i just think that everyone joining the Communist party during Lenin and Stalin is by logic also criminal.

Interesting history on Gestapo(part of SS) and NKVD co-operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo-NKVD_Conferences

kiwi_2005 · 12-13-07, 07:24 PM

Read the book "The Holocaust The Jewish Tragedy" Your know what a Nazi was really like. The old saying i was following orders is just their cunning way of saying wasn't my fault. These camp guards killed with or without orders, they killed cause they wanted to, not because they were ordered too. They enjoyed every minute of it. Then when they lost the war they go off into hiding and when caught its "I was only following orders"

Reaves · 12-13-07, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi_2005

Read the book "The Holocaust The Jewish Tragedy" Your know what a Nazi was really like. The old saying i was following orders is just their cunning way of saying wasn't my fault. These camp guards killed with or without orders, they killed cause they wanted to, not because they were ordered too. They enjoyed every minute of it. Then when they lost the war they go off into hiding and when caught its "I was only following orders"

You summed it up perfectly.

Every Spaniard should be ashamed of themselves for this news. I know I would be.

The WosMan · 12-13-07, 08:16 PM

There was this guy here near where I live named John Demjanjuk and he was supposedly a russian SS nazi named Ivan the Terrible who would march jews into the gas chamber at treblinka. Anyways, after the war he moved to Seven Hills Ohio and worked over at Ford Motor in Brookpark, Ohio.

Israel for years were trying to get him, they did extradite him to Israel to stand trial and they convicted him and sentenced him to death but time had an effect on the evidence and Demjanjuk's son was a damn good attorney and finally, the Israeli high court exhonorated him. I believe he is still alive living in retirement here in Ohio and there is still battles going on back and forth to put him on trial. Even though he may not have been Ivan the Terrible, I am convinced he was at the least a nazi SS man because a.) In high school I worked with a guy who grew up with Demanuk's kids and he said that when he was a kid Demjanjuk had some pretty negative views on jews and other reminiscing about "the good old days"

b.) I met his granddaughter at a party hosted by a friend of mine and she was drunk and at some point started talking about her grandfather and how her dad spends all his time trying to defend him. I asked her "who is your grandfather" and she said it was Demjanjuk. I was pretty surprised and asked her what she thought of the whole thing and she didn't come to his defense like I thought she would, sort of a half admission.

12-13-07, 03:40 PM	#1
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Sick former SS officer Stand by to be sicken by this swine, what made me feel sick was his clinical no regrets what so ever. Unrepentant Nazi, 84, calls Auschwitz a 'ten star hotel' and tells Dachau victim 'you survived well' __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

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Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	From the article, "he manages to draw pensions from three countries." That's just for starters. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Maybe he isn't sick? Maybe the killing hadn't started when he was a gaurd? I'd hear him out before casting judgement. Maybe he firmly believes that the killing was all a lie? You never know. -S __________________

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Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Quite amazing to see such arrogance in such an old body, that must've lived a long life and must've seen quite a big chunk of things. __________________

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bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I remember seeing a documentary on Auschwitz where they talked to survivors and also to some of the guards that ran the camp. It was chilling to see that the guards had no remorse for their actions. Many of the guards managed to avoid jail terms for their crimes. Some tried to justified it by saying they were following orders, or that's how it was back then. Some didn't really care about what they had done or how they had profitied from the misery inflicted on others. __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Wow, this defies beleif. This is the sort of thing you'd see as a tabloid headliner - right up there with "i was abducted by space aliens"

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SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What was their job? To me, that is just that you are a member of the party, which doesn't automatically make you guilty. If that is the case, half the world should be jailed for being with the wrong party of some sort. How many Russians should we jail for working with Stalin or affiliate party? Last I checked, the US even let go the driver for Bin Laden. He worked for Bin Laden, so he should probably be hanged under your idea of justice. -S __________________

12-13-07, 07:24 PM	#13
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	Read the book "The Holocaust The Jewish Tragedy" Your know what a Nazi was really like. The old saying i was following orders is just their cunning way of saying wasn't my fault. These camp guards killed with or without orders, they killed cause they wanted to, not because they were ordered too. They enjoyed every minute of it. Then when they lost the war they go off into hiding and when caught its "I was only following orders" __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

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The WosMan Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: OH Posts: 332 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	There was this guy here near where I live named John Demjanjuk and he was supposedly a russian SS nazi named Ivan the Terrible who would march jews into the gas chamber at treblinka. Anyways, after the war he moved to Seven Hills Ohio and worked over at Ford Motor in Brookpark, Ohio. Israel for years were trying to get him, they did extradite him to Israel to stand trial and they convicted him and sentenced him to death but time had an effect on the evidence and Demjanjuk's son was a damn good attorney and finally, the Israeli high court exhonorated him. I believe he is still alive living in retirement here in Ohio and there is still battles going on back and forth to put him on trial. Even though he may not have been Ivan the Terrible, I am convinced he was at the least a nazi SS man because a.) In high school I worked with a guy who grew up with Demanuk's kids and he said that when he was a kid Demjanjuk had some pretty negative views on jews and other reminiscing about "the good old days" b.) I met his granddaughter at a party hosted by a friend of mine and she was drunk and at some point started talking about her grandfather and how her dad spends all his time trying to defend him. I asked her "who is your grandfather" and she said it was Demjanjuk. I was pretty surprised and asked her what she thought of the whole thing and she didn't come to his defense like I thought she would, sort of a half admission.