Question about SH3 Tweaker and use with SH4

TriskettheKid · 11-30-07, 09:57 PM

This is my first attempt at doing some modding, and I was looking for some help.

How would one go about creating a Tweak file from SH4 in order to be used in the SH3 Mini-Tweaker? Specifically, I'm trying to fiddle with the crush depths of the subs, and I'm trying to figure out how to get started.

tater · 11-30-07, 10:02 PM

Use S3D instead. Making tweak files is a huge amount of work.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571

S3D will simply open the file, no muss, no fuss. (it has limitations (it's alpha) but it is a very powerful tool).

tater

TriskettheKid · 11-30-07, 10:03 PM

Ah, but that requires .Net 2.

tater · 11-30-07, 10:09 PM

Net 2 vs a gajillion hours making tweak files.

S3D FTW.

TriskettheKid · 11-30-07, 10:31 PM

First off, WOW, thanks so much.

Any idea where I would find the crush depth values?

I've looked in the ZON, VAL, SIM, etc. and I can't seem to find it. Did I skip over it? Is it somewhere that's kind of hidden away?

tater · 11-30-07, 10:44 PM

Should be in the submarine zon files I thought.

TriskettheKid · 11-30-07, 10:47 PM

Found it.

Labeled as "CrashDepth" instead of "Crush."

Can you point me towards a FAQ or something that explains some of these values? As in, are the numbers in Meters or yards? As well as explaining what CrashSpeed and Rebound are?

I know that this is probably easy for the veteran modders, but I'm trying to get into it and I'm thinking this is a good variable to mess with to start.

tater · 11-30-07, 10:47 PM

Data/Submarine/ folder.

There is a folder within for each sub. In that sub's zon there is a node called "collisionable object," in the properties of that is "CrashDepth." That's it. The number is in meters.

Ducimus · 11-30-07, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Net 2 vs a gajillion hours making tweak files.

S3D FTW.

QFE

tater · 11-30-07, 10:50 PM

The numbers are meters if they are a distance. The rest... kind of hit or miss. Best to search the forum a little with the search function.

If you are familiar with JSGME, I would make a JSGME mod of anything you do. Meaning make the appropriate set of folders in the path structure, then copy the file(s) you plan to mod in there, and mod the copies.

tater

tater · 11-30-07, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Net 2 vs a gajillion hours making tweak files.

S3D FTW.

QFE

BTW, that was also a subtle (perhaps way too subtle) <<< SALUTE >>> to the guys who made so many tweak files before we had S3D. Mind-boggling amount of work, and it got FUBARed with every patch.

Ducimus · 11-30-07, 10:56 PM

I know. Trust me i know. One reason why, i stopped using "absolute" values when working with tweak files.

Funny, i know the sub zon and sim files almost like the back of my hand, but i never bothered with experimenting with rebound. That has my curiosity now. Although im barely awake at the moment. Maybe later.

tater · 11-30-07, 10:59 PM

I tried something rather crazy this afternoon with S3D today... and it worked. It will take another few hundred "load up game, test mission, exit, tweak node, rinse, repeats," to nail down, but it promises to be rather cool indeed. I'll post pictures once I get something that looks decent in a picture.

Ducimus · 11-30-07, 11:04 PM

Knowing you, it's bound to be good.

Personnaly, i think im running out of (or have already run out of ) innovative ideas. Other then fine tuning stuff that will probably never ever truly perfect like the AI or DC's, bombs and the like, about the only thing i can think of, is putting down some atlantic german traffic for S boats and a few gato's to shoot at. I'd have to update the flags.dat, and throw in antother uboat for that i think. Already created the flotilla, just have to flesh it out.

tater · 12-01-07, 12:29 AM

There is always trying to get the DDs to fire torpedoes at each other left to do

tater

11-30-07, 09:57 PM	#1
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Question about SH3 Tweaker and use with SH4 This is my first attempt at doing some modding, and I was looking for some help. How would one go about creating a Tweak file from SH4 in order to be used in the SH3 Mini-Tweaker? Specifically, I'm trying to fiddle with the crush depths of the subs, and I'm trying to figure out how to get started.

11-30-07, 10:02 PM	#2
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Use S3D instead. Making tweak files is a huge amount of work. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=119571 S3D will simply open the file, no muss, no fuss. (it has limitations (it's alpha) but it is a very powerful tool). tater

11-30-07, 10:03 PM	#3
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ah, but that requires .Net 2.

11-30-07, 10:09 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Net 2 vs a gajillion hours making tweak files. S3D FTW.

11-30-07, 10:31 PM	#5
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	First off, WOW, thanks so much. Any idea where I would find the crush depth values? I've looked in the ZON, VAL, SIM, etc. and I can't seem to find it. Did I skip over it? Is it somewhere that's kind of hidden away?

11-30-07, 10:44 PM	#6
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Should be in the submarine zon files I thought.

11-30-07, 10:47 PM	#7
TriskettheKid Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 186 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Found it. Labeled as "CrashDepth" instead of "Crush." Can you point me towards a FAQ or something that explains some of these values? As in, are the numbers in Meters or yards? As well as explaining what CrashSpeed and Rebound are? I know that this is probably easy for the veteran modders, but I'm trying to get into it and I'm thinking this is a good variable to mess with to start.

11-30-07, 10:50 PM	#10
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The numbers are meters if they are a distance. The rest... kind of hit or miss. Best to search the forum a little with the search function. If you are familiar with JSGME, I would make a JSGME mod of anything you do. Meaning make the appropriate set of folders in the path structure, then copy the file(s) you plan to mod in there, and mod the copies. tater

11-30-07, 10:56 PM	#12
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I know. Trust me i know. One reason why, i stopped using "absolute" values when working with tweak files. Funny, i know the sub zon and sim files almost like the back of my hand, but i never bothered with experimenting with rebound. That has my curiosity now. Although im barely awake at the moment. Maybe later.

11-30-07, 10:59 PM	#13
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I tried something rather crazy this afternoon with S3D today... and it worked. It will take another few hundred "load up game, test mission, exit, tweak node, rinse, repeats," to nail down, but it promises to be rather cool indeed. I'll post pictures once I get something that looks decent in a picture.

11-30-07, 11:04 PM	#14
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Knowing you, it's bound to be good. Personnaly, i think im running out of (or have already run out of ) innovative ideas. Other then fine tuning stuff that will probably never ever truly perfect like the AI or DC's, bombs and the like, about the only thing i can think of, is putting down some atlantic german traffic for S boats and a few gato's to shoot at. I'd have to update the flags.dat, and throw in antother uboat for that i think. Already created the flotilla, just have to flesh it out.

12-01-07, 12:29 AM	#15
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	There is always trying to get the DDs to fire torpedoes at each other left to do tater