fishing boats , trawlers?

von hally · 10-30-07, 01:26 PM

lo all

was just reading an old wwII submarine book whilst crossing the vast ocean at *1060*....in it, theres a passage that reads..." the boat wasnt a week out when it had success.....sinking a fishing boat/trawler"...is it fair to attack even fishing vessels and trawlers? they obviously arent carrying cargo or troops...or is tonnage the most important thing? seems a bit outwith the conduct of war?

Rykaird · 10-30-07, 01:46 PM

Trawlers and fishing boats are why Uncle Karl gave us flak guns.

You don't honestly use those things against planes, do you?

von hally · 10-30-07, 01:50 PM

yea good point mate....targets are targets...hope mr Donitz appreciates the rotten feeling and uneasy concience i'll be experiencing tonight lying on my captains bed...after the two fishing boats i just sent to the bottomo the birne didnt stand a chance

STEED · 10-30-07, 02:05 PM

Wast of ammo.

U49 · 10-30-07, 02:10 PM

There are two types of ships:

SUBMARINES and TARGETS

Rykaird · 10-30-07, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Wast of ammo.

What else are you going to do with it?

STEED · 10-30-07, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rykaird

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Wast of ammo.

What else are you going to do with it?

Take on a plane that jumps on you and you no time to crash dive.

headcase · 10-30-07, 03:02 PM

Think about how many soldiers a fising boat or a trawler can feed in a year. Now do you have a problem throwing 20mm at 'em? We are at war.

xristoskaiti · 10-30-07, 03:12 PM

in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war

Sirrvs · 10-30-07, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xristoskaiti

in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war

Is that the one they based that scene in U-571 on? (Blowing the survivors away with the flak)

Dekessey · 10-30-07, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by headcase

Think about how many soldiers a fising boat or a trawler can feed in a year. Now do you have a problem throwing 20mm at 'em? We are at war.

Hehe, good argument.

U49 · 10-30-07, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sirrvs

Quote:

Originally Posted by xristoskaiti

in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war

Is that the one they based that scene in U-571 on? (Blowing the survivors away with the flak)

you can read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz-Wilhelm_Eck

Ping Panther · 10-30-07, 03:42 PM

I am reading "Unrestricted Warfare", and it discusses U.S. Submariners attacking fishing boats along the coasts in the Pacific. It was considered an alternate target when no other was available, and it was rationalized that it depleted the local enemy of food resources.

Jimbuna · 10-30-07, 05:04 PM

Soft easy targets that can't fight back.....I prefer to fight planes with them.

GoldenRivet · 10-30-07, 11:52 PM

There are two ways of looking at it.

1. it depleats the local enemy of a food source

2. its a waste of ammo

Personally, i dont attack civilian fishing vessels and yachts.

for starters submariners considered it bad luck to attack a boat that was rigged with a sail, and two... if they are able to radio in my position before i sink them the target wasnt worth the hassel of being located by an HK group or planes etc.

10-30-07, 01:26 PM	#1
von hally Commodore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 634 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	fishing boats , trawlers? lo all was just reading an old wwII submarine book whilst crossing the vast ocean at 1060....in it, theres a passage that reads..." the boat wasnt a week out when it had success.....sinking a fishing boat/trawler"...is it fair to attack even fishing vessels and trawlers? they obviously arent carrying cargo or troops...or is tonnage the most important thing? seems a bit outwith the conduct of war?

10-30-07, 01:50 PM	#3
von hally Commodore Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 634 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	rykaird yea good point mate....targets are targets...hope mr Donitz appreciates the rotten feeling and uneasy concience i'll be experiencing tonight lying on my captains bed...after the two fishing boats i just sent to the bottomo the birne didnt stand a chance

10-30-07, 02:05 PM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Wast of ammo. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

10-30-07, 02:10 PM	#5
U49 Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: D/Niedersachsen Posts: 777 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are two types of ships: SUBMARINES and TARGETS __________________ SH3 battle capability upgrades: GWX2.0, JSGME2.0, SH3Commander 2.7, SH3Gen 0.8.2, TorpDamageMod 2.0, OLC GUI 1.1.5 Awaiting combat readiness for GWX2.0: SH4 effetcs for SH3, SH3Weather 1.5 Following development of: www.subwolves.com Realism: 90%

10-30-07, 03:02 PM	#8
headcase Sparky Join Date: May 2007 Location: The wrong side of the tracks, Neverland Posts: 157 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Think about how many soldiers a fising boat or a trawler can feed in a year. Now do you have a problem throwing 20mm at 'em? We are at war. __________________ It's like the Blues. You can't play em if you haven't lived em. GWX 3.0 DID

10-30-07, 01:46 PM	#2
Rykaird Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 356 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Trawlers and fishing boats are why Uncle Karl gave us flak guns. You don't honestly use those things against planes, do you?

10-30-07, 03:12 PM	#9
xristoskaiti Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: pireas Posts: 256 Downloads: 481 Uploads: 0	in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war

10-30-07, 03:42 PM	#13
Ping Panther Lieutenant Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: the armpit of the Mid-Atlantic / Quadrant CA42 Posts: 262 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I am reading "Unrestricted Warfare", and it discusses U.S. Submariners attacking fishing boats along the coasts in the Pacific. It was considered an alternate target when no other was available, and it was rationalized that it depleted the local enemy of food resources.

10-30-07, 05:04 PM	#14
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Soft easy targets that can't fight back.....I prefer to fight planes with them. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-30-07, 11:52 PM	#15
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	There are two ways of looking at it. 1. it depleats the local enemy of a food source 2. its a waste of ammo Personally, i dont attack civilian fishing vessels and yachts. for starters submariners considered it bad luck to attack a boat that was rigged with a sail, and two... if they are able to radio in my position before i sink them the target wasnt worth the hassel of being located by an HK group or planes etc. __________________