Victor III SSN video

[Kapitan]

a vid of the prolific victor III with an interview with one of the chief designers at malakhit can you spot who he is?

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

a vid of the prolific victor III with an interview with one of the chief designers at malakhit can you spot who he is?

Isn't it the first guy? (Shmakov)?
I've seen this video before, great series

Did you see the shot of the sonar screen!?!

[Kapitan]

Yes rudy Schmarkov chief designer there and has been since the 1950's he is the guy responcible for the K3 ive never met him but id like too !!!!!

and yeah antiques those screens are the new submarines and some other akulas and deltas are being totaly refitted with new sonar systems and screens they now have waterfall displays!

[nikimcbee]

I love Proekt-671, I have a small model of one

[Kapitan]

Victor IIIs were good in thier time now they are like everything else old and out of date same with the sierra and akulas we need something new.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

...are being totaly refitted with new sonar systems and screens they now have waterfall displays!

Imagine that. Things came full circle. All these years you told me the superiority of the Russian way on Sonar, and now they go with Americanized Waterfall displays!!!! Told you waterfall is better. I understand it is easy to get you mind around where a contact is using the Russian system, but if you can still get you mind around the waterfall display bearing (which I find easy to do) vs ownship, it is way superior - as I've always said. :p Especially at finding faint contacts!

<...anxiously awaits reply!..>

-S

[Kapitan]

In terms of sensativity the russian sonar systems are better. but in terms of display quality the american systems are better.

Whats more the sonar screens on the old boats area easier to use than american ones, it might just be me but i do get stumped alot on the american sonars i just cant work them hence why i play akula alot (i would love to play ohio!)

whats more its not waterfall as your thinking either!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

In terms of sensativity the russian sonar systems are better. but in terms of display quality the american systems are better.

Every source in the entire world will always tell you that in terms of sensitivity, nothing beats American sonar technology. It is advanced American electronics that is responsible for this. Also, Russian signal processing is light years behind American equipment. It's part GLOP HP that the Russians can't deal with.

Whats more the sonar screens on the old boats area easier to use than american ones, it might just be me but i do get stumped alot on the american sonars i just cant work them hence why i play akula alot (i would love to play ohio!)

whats more its not waterfall as your thinking either!

How is the Waterfall different? Explain please.

-S

[Kapitan]

The waterfall display in american submarines has a history from what ive heard the new systems on the russian boats dont have a history.

In terms of sensativity the russian systems have it they are able to detect lower frequencies than american sonars, but the display screen 1) limits thier ability to detect it 2) follow it 3) the range.

Yes russian systems are capible of detecting things further away but only if you had a bloody good pair of eyes ! this is the big down fall, the display screen is so friggen naff you wouldnt see the blip or mound appear on screen so therefore it cant be seen, thats why the americans will win everytime, because the build quality in thier sensors is so much better than that of the russians.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kapitan

The waterfall display in american submarines has a history from what ive heard the new systems on the russian boats dont have a history.

They need to get one!

In terms of sensativity the russian systems have it they are able to detect lower frequencies than american sonars, but the display screen 1) limits thier ability to detect it 2) follow it 3) the range.

Yes russian systems are capible of detecting things further away but only if you had a bloody good pair of eyes ! this is the big down fall, the display screen is so friggen naff you wouldnt see the blip or mound appear on screen so therefore it cant be seen, thats why the americans will win everytime, because the build quality in thier sensors is so much better than that of the russians.

There is no way the could detect lower frequency. Especially since the American signal processing is light years ahead of anything the Russians could produce - this is an electronic crutch the Russians have in comparrison. The massive computing capability to filter background noises and project what is needed information wise is just not their from a Russian standpoint. The Russians also lack the ability of specialized towed arrays, ones that are optimized for medium frequencies, and one optimized for low frequecies. This is like saying you can make a single spekaer sound better than ones specialized for certain ranges! The point is you can't! You have one array that attempts to cover all frequencies, which means it can do no one frequency well.

This is simple logic even.

If the Russian array is strictly a low freq array, then it may have a chance, but I highly doubt the Russian electronic capability is anywhere close to it's American counterpart, so I'd assume without Janes or anyone else telling me that the American is much more sensitive. THis is an electronics prowness capabilty when you talk sensitivity.

-S

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

They need to get one!

How can you even have a waterfall display, which is a Time-Bearing plot without a history (Time)!

And this story is the bloody poorest way to lose. Why why why why why.

There is no way the could detect lower frequency.

Well, signal processing is important, but the base quality of the array is important as well, such as sheer size, quality of transducer material ... etc. Further, to a certain extent, you can allocate more room to the computer and write the algorithm more efficiently.

[Chock]

I always like the fact that the Russians seem to be more keen to try other detection methods on military hardware, such as the SOKS array on subs and the IR sensors on the Sukhoi and MiG fighter aircraft (which are supposed to be very good by all accounts and completely passive too). Can't say I know much about SOKS, other than I believe it's supposed to analyse radioactive traces and other particles in the water to detect the wakes of other subs.

I'm certainly no expert on the matter, but maybe they are a bit like the Germans in WW2 in that respect, more openly accepting to unusual stuff to try and tip the balance in their favour.

Chock

[bradclark1]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Every source in the entire world will always tell you that in terms of sensitivity, nothing beats American sonar technology.

Russian sonar technology is based on American sonar technology.