Need Help considering .zon and .sim Files!

Dr.Zod · 11-02-07, 07:50 PM

Hi there!

I recently stumbled uppon SH3 Inspector, and I must say it is a good program.
So here is my problem or better said question.
I wanted to modify the german submarines, so that they match all the specifications given at uboat.net (so said realistic specifications)!
Well with SH3 Inspector it isn´t a great deal to alter displacement, speed, horsepower etc. Very cool I thought! But as I started the game and tested the VII B Sub I recognized that the speed isn´t as I specified it!!! The sea is calm and the top speed of the VII B should be 17,9 kn but it is like 1 kn slower. Why is that? I also changed the values in the .cfg file.
So there must be more to the mass, horsepower, speed and displacement than I thought.
Any comments, suggestions or help would be very welcome.

Thanks in advance

Greetz

Dr.Zod

CapZap1970 · 11-02-07, 07:57 PM

That's because when you modify files using that program, a copy of the file is created in the same directory, and in order to see the changes you made, you must first delete the copies of the files you tweaked, or SH3 will use the copies.
I hope this helps you.

CapZap

Tsavo · 11-02-07, 08:16 PM

If have mods your install,
Sh3 Enspectur not be compatable always!!
Was based on Stock SH3.
Many mods changed Hex addresse!

Dr.Zod · 11-02-07, 08:17 PM

Thats right, but the program renames the files, so they shouldn´t be affected!
I´ll give it a shot anyway thanks for your answer.

By the way I use GWX 1.03, so you think this could be a reason?

Greetz

Dr.Zod

Tsavo · 11-02-07, 08:25 PM

SH3 engine read every file in folder!!!
If all but end same,
problems!!!!
Move to other folder old files!!

Dr.Zod · 11-02-07, 08:27 PM

I´ll try that.

Thanks for help.

Greetz

Dr.Zod

Kpt. Lehmann · 11-02-07, 08:29 PM

Hi Dr. Zod,

I don't know how to stress this enough.

Adding historically accurate data into files controlling physics, DOES NOT yield historically accurate performance in game in MANY cases.

To get accurate, historically plausible performance, it is COMPLETELY necessary to start with a baseline isolated entry, and then to observe and adjust, many times over IN GAME... against reputable published works.

ie: In GWX development when we discovered this, it required loads of adjustments after adjustments to yield historically plausible outcomes. (Collectively across the board, I am talking about tens of thousands of adjustments for everything from battery life to .zon file compartmental flooding.) Therefore, when you examine some of the settings inside the GWX files, you'll come away scratching your head.

(Not trying to sound harsh. Just pointing out the gravity/seriousness of things that look simple at first... and turn out to be anything but.)

Good luck to you.

Dr.Zod · 11-03-07, 05:13 PM

So you say Kpt.Lehmann,
in GWX the Subs are as "Realistic" as possible, if that is the case that is just great!
Well I edited displacement, draft, range and hp. And It looks ok so far ingame (after I followed the instructions of deleting the backup fies).
But if you say that the ingame it is affected otherwise I´ll rather use the stock GWX settings!

Greetz

Dr.Zod

11-02-07, 07:50 PM	#1
Dr.Zod Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Need Help considering .zon and .sim Files! Hi there! I recently stumbled uppon SH3 Inspector, and I must say it is a good program. So here is my problem or better said question. I wanted to modify the german submarines, so that they match all the specifications given at uboat.net (so said realistic specifications)! Well with SH3 Inspector it isn´t a great deal to alter displacement, speed, horsepower etc. Very cool I thought! But as I started the game and tested the VII B Sub I recognized that the speed isn´t as I specified it!!! The sea is calm and the top speed of the VII B should be 17,9 kn but it is like 1 kn slower. Why is that? I also changed the values in the .cfg file. So there must be more to the mass, horsepower, speed and displacement than I thought. Any comments, suggestions or help would be very welcome. Thanks in advance Greetz Dr.Zod

11-02-07, 07:57 PM	#2
CapZap1970 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: La Paz, Bolivia Posts: 1,965 Downloads: 276 Uploads: 51	That's because when you modify files using that program, a copy of the file is created in the same directory, and in order to see the changes you made, you must first delete the copies of the files you tweaked, or SH3 will use the copies. I hope this helps you. CapZap __________________

11-02-07, 08:29 PM	#7
Kpt. Lehmann GWX Project Director Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The Republic of Texas Posts: 6,994 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Hi Dr. Zod, I don't know how to stress this enough. Adding historically accurate data into files controlling physics, DOES NOT yield historically accurate performance in game in MANY cases. To get accurate, historically plausible performance, it is COMPLETELY necessary to start with a baseline isolated entry, and then to observe and adjust, many times over IN GAME... against reputable published works. ie: In GWX development when we discovered this, it required loads of adjustments after adjustments to yield historically plausible outcomes. (Collectively across the board, I am talking about tens of thousands of adjustments for everything from battery life to .zon file compartmental flooding.) Therefore, when you examine some of the settings inside the GWX files, you'll come away scratching your head. (Not trying to sound harsh. Just pointing out the gravity/seriousness of things that look simple at first... and turn out to be anything but.) Good luck to you. __________________ www.thegreywolves.com All you need is good men. - Heinrich Lehmann-Willenbrock

11-02-07, 08:16 PM	#3
Tsavo Seaman Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If have mods your install, Sh3 Enspectur not be compatable always!! Was based on Stock SH3. Many mods changed Hex addresse!

11-02-07, 08:17 PM	#4
Dr.Zod Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thats right, but the program renames the files, so they shouldn´t be affected! I´ll give it a shot anyway thanks for your answer. By the way I use GWX 1.03, so you think this could be a reason? Greetz Dr.Zod

11-02-07, 08:25 PM	#5
Tsavo Seaman Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 42 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	SH3 engine read every file in folder!!! If all but end same, problems!!!! Move to other folder old files!!

11-02-07, 08:27 PM	#6
Dr.Zod Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I´ll try that. Thanks for help. Greetz Dr.Zod

11-03-07, 05:13 PM	#8
Dr.Zod Watch Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 21 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So you say Kpt.Lehmann, in GWX the Subs are as "Realistic" as possible, if that is the case that is just great! Well I edited displacement, draft, range and hp. And It looks ok so far ingame (after I followed the instructions of deleting the backup fies). But if you say that the ingame it is affected otherwise I´ll rather use the stock GWX settings! Greetz Dr.Zod