he stayed still and I want to move and why was it grey!?

She-Wolf · 10-28-07, 10:28 AM

arternoon submates

I have three wonderings to lay before you. The first is about an armed tug that had ( I think) been escorting the merchant that I downed off Lowestoft. Naturally he came rushing back to find me when the first torp went off and spent sometime looking in the wrong place for me while I hovered around in the right place waiting to see if the merchant would go or not. Well it did, with much creaking and groaning and eventually I got the sunken ship marked on my chart, so, satisfied that I could go home I looked around to see where the trawler was. Well he was there ok, sitting quietly in the water with no searchlights on, not moving, but with the engine ticking over, and there he stayed. I wondered why - was it because he was listening for me or out of respect for the ship just disappearing beneath the waves? I like to think it was the latter. To test the situation I surfaced and roared off at full speed, but, although the lookouts spotted him, he didn't seem in a rush to come after me.

The reason I hung around was because I wasn't sure I had truly killed the merchant, as I have said, but when I got the shipwreck mark on the chart, it wasn't red but grey, and I wonder why. It was definitely a British flag, not a neutral, so why wasn't it red?

When I got back to base, having done about five patrols in the same area, and having read a thread on here about transfers, I thought I would see if I could transfer too, get a different bit of the wet to explore, so I went to the telephone and saw the transfer form and clicked on 2nd flotilla - but still I find myself in the old tub and going back to AN81... is it because I only have 2500-ish renown or am too junior or summat?

There these are all my wonderings for today

bigboywooly · 10-28-07, 10:40 AM

Afternoon hun

IIRC its 3 patrols or 6 months in a flotilla before you can transfer
Hopefully your 5 patrols have taken longer than that

Not sure why the armed tub didnt chase you
Most odd

Sometimes the sunk icons are grey due to sinking outside of visual range
Sinking by weather
Sinking when only picked up on radar

But can also happen in other stoopid SH3 ways
As long as the sinking is in your log no need to worry really

Jimbuna · 10-28-07, 10:48 AM

Agree with BBW on the transfer thingy....but have you not considered the tug may not have chased you because he was scared shi*less

She-Wolf · 10-28-07, 10:51 AM

ahh, 6 months hey...hmm. Could be it, don't think it is more than about 3 months since I started this career...

The seas were good so it wasn't weather, and although I had my head down because of the escort, the ship was so close I could have eyeballed it, so that weren't it either. As you say, it got counted as tonnage, so I will not worry. The other boat just idling, and then not coming after me though - that's interesting - but that sort of unpredictability makes the game even more attractive I think!
thanks BigBoy!

She-Wolf · 10-28-07, 10:52 AM

Jimby, that had NOT occurred to me - but I like it, oh yes!!:rotfl::rotfl:

Kpt, Otto · 10-28-07, 11:06 AM

Ive had a similar situation happen to me N'W of Lowerstoft.

There I managed to creep between the escorting Armed trawler and the merchant whereby I fired two torpedos and sank it. (the merchant that is)

Then the Armed trawler came looking for me did a fair job and came close, droping depth charges however they missed. He mad about three or four runs then he just parked up and sat there?? When I used the external camara to have a look at him, as I was curious to see why, I noticed they had run out of depth charges. There were no more on the decks and the crew were gone.

I think that perhaps the trawler had reached the end of its escort run and due to the limitations of the game had just stopped where it was?? :hmm:

When it comes to my game and my career I will just assume they stopped to pick up survivors, thats how I like to look at it.

Its only happened to me once, it was around Sept 1939, AN73'37

She-Wolf · 10-28-07, 11:17 AM

Otto, you have described a practically identical scenario to mine, except that I could not see clear detail on the trawler as it was too dark. How strange...

KeptinCranky · 10-28-07, 06:39 PM

Another thing to ponder...those poor armed trawlers really aren't fast enough to get away from their own depth charges, especially in shallow water, it will frequently happen that they blow their own DC racks off and sometimes even sustain enough damage to eventually sink. They will also damage or destroy their own screws, hence dead in the water....

I've seen this happen several times, even with flower corvettes in very rough weather, they simply can't make enough speed to get away.

Crewing on an armed trawler is a thankless job anyhow, they're not really warships after all and can't stand up to anything that is, I once took the time to look up a list of ships lost by the Royal Navy during WW2 and the humble armed trawler had a disproportionate number lost.

If you compare the firepower on a Liberty Ship to an armed trawler you'll notice the Liberty Ship is far more dangerous in a surface engagement

papa_smurf · 10-29-07, 02:32 PM

One the grey ship icons, I too have had similar situations where i've hit a merchant with my eels, only for it not to sink, and then hours later and me not getting crefit for it. Also ship can sink in very heavy weather, and this is shown by the grey sunk icon.
As for that pesky armed trawler, just ignore it or if your feeling brave - surface, man the deck gun, and blow that mother away!

q65 · 10-30-07, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptinCranky

Another thing to ponder...those poor armed trawlers really aren't fast enough to get away from their own depth charges, especially in shallow water, it will frequently happen that they blow their own DC racks off and sometimes even sustain enough damage to eventually sink. They will also damage or destroy their own screws, hence dead in the water....

I've seen this happen several times, even with flower corvettes in very rough weather, they simply can't make enough speed to get away.

Crewing on an armed trawler is a thankless job anyhow, they're not really warships after all and can't stand up to anything that is, I once took the time to look up a list of ships lost by the Royal Navy during WW2 and the humble armed trawler had a disproportionate number lost.

If you compare the firepower on a Liberty Ship to an armed trawler you'll notice the Liberty Ship is far more dangerous in a surface engagement

Now that makes sense I had the same experience on the weekend. He just sat there so I sank him. Which turned out to be a dumb move. As I was returning to my grid I spied a Large Merchant and I only had 1 eel left in the tube. Managed to hit it but it didnt sink. Lesson learned

10-28-07, 10:28 AM	#1
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	he stayed still and I want to move and why was it grey!? arternoon submates I have three wonderings to lay before you. The first is about an armed tug that had ( I think) been escorting the merchant that I downed off Lowestoft. Naturally he came rushing back to find me when the first torp went off and spent sometime looking in the wrong place for me while I hovered around in the right place waiting to see if the merchant would go or not. Well it did, with much creaking and groaning and eventually I got the sunken ship marked on my chart, so, satisfied that I could go home I looked around to see where the trawler was. Well he was there ok, sitting quietly in the water with no searchlights on, not moving, but with the engine ticking over, and there he stayed. I wondered why - was it because he was listening for me or out of respect for the ship just disappearing beneath the waves? I like to think it was the latter. To test the situation I surfaced and roared off at full speed, but, although the lookouts spotted him, he didn't seem in a rush to come after me. The reason I hung around was because I wasn't sure I had truly killed the merchant, as I have said, but when I got the shipwreck mark on the chart, it wasn't red but grey, and I wonder why. It was definitely a British flag, not a neutral, so why wasn't it red? When I got back to base, having done about five patrols in the same area, and having read a thread on here about transfers, I thought I would see if I could transfer too, get a different bit of the wet to explore, so I went to the telephone and saw the transfer form and clicked on 2nd flotilla - but still I find myself in the old tub and going back to AN81... is it because I only have 2500-ish renown or am too junior or summat? There these are all my wonderings for today __________________

10-28-07, 10:40 AM	#2
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Afternoon hun IIRC its 3 patrols or 6 months in a flotilla before you can transfer Hopefully your 5 patrols have taken longer than that Not sure why the armed tub didnt chase you Most odd Sometimes the sunk icons are grey due to sinking outside of visual range Sinking by weather Sinking when only picked up on radar But can also happen in other stoopid SH3 ways As long as the sinking is in your log no need to worry really __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

10-28-07, 10:48 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Agree with BBW on the transfer thingy....but have you not considered the tug may not have chased you because he was scared shiless __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.* Oh my God, not again!!

10-28-07, 10:51 AM	#4
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	ahh, 6 months hey...hmm. Could be it, don't think it is more than about 3 months since I started this career... The seas were good so it wasn't weather, and although I had my head down because of the escort, the ship was so close I could have eyeballed it, so that weren't it either. As you say, it got counted as tonnage, so I will not worry. The other boat just idling, and then not coming after me though - that's interesting - but that sort of unpredictability makes the game even more attractive I think! thanks BigBoy! __________________

10-28-07, 10:52 AM	#5
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Jimby, that had NOT occurred to me - but I like it, oh yes!!:rotfl::rotfl: __________________

10-28-07, 11:06 AM	#6
Kpt, Otto Planesman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London Posts: 195 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Me too... Ive had a similar situation happen to me N'W of Lowerstoft. There I managed to creep between the escorting Armed trawler and the merchant whereby I fired two torpedos and sank it. (the merchant that is) Then the Armed trawler came looking for me did a fair job and came close, droping depth charges however they missed. He mad about three or four runs then he just parked up and sat there?? When I used the external camara to have a look at him, as I was curious to see why, I noticed they had run out of depth charges. There were no more on the decks and the crew were gone. I think that perhaps the trawler had reached the end of its escort run and due to the limitations of the game had just stopped where it was?? :hmm: When it comes to my game and my career I will just assume they stopped to pick up survivors, thats how I like to look at it. Its only happened to me once, it was around Sept 1939, AN73'37 __________________ Kpt, Otto. My War Diary and Website. . . Here. . .!

10-28-07, 11:17 AM	#7
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Otto, you have described a practically identical scenario to mine, except that I could not see clear detail on the trawler as it was too dark. How strange... __________________

10-28-07, 06:39 PM	#8
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Another thing to ponder...those poor armed trawlers really aren't fast enough to get away from their own depth charges, especially in shallow water, it will frequently happen that they blow their own DC racks off and sometimes even sustain enough damage to eventually sink. They will also damage or destroy their own screws, hence dead in the water.... I've seen this happen several times, even with flower corvettes in very rough weather, they simply can't make enough speed to get away. Crewing on an armed trawler is a thankless job anyhow, they're not really warships after all and can't stand up to anything that is, I once took the time to look up a list of ships lost by the Royal Navy during WW2 and the humble armed trawler had a disproportionate number lost. If you compare the firepower on a Liberty Ship to an armed trawler you'll notice the Liberty Ship is far more dangerous in a surface engagement

10-29-07, 02:32 PM	#9
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	One the grey ship icons, I too have had similar situations where i've hit a merchant with my eels, only for it not to sink, and then hours later and me not getting crefit for it. Also ship can sink in very heavy weather, and this is shown by the grey sunk icon. As for that pesky armed trawler, just ignore it or if your feeling brave - surface, man the deck gun, and blow that mother away!