Depth under keel

Dronston · 01-07-08, 07:51 AM

Can you use the depth under keel ping anytime you like or will it give your position away to the enemy? I never had the experience that it would change my noise meter to red or a DD rushing to my position but I wanna be sure for obvious reasons

vodkavera · 01-07-08, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dronston

Can you use the depth under keel ping anytime you like or will it give your position away to the enemy? I never had the experience that it would change my noise meter to red or a DD rushing to my position but I wanna be sure for obvious reasons

Bad idea!
I think that you risk giving your position away if you ping and a DD is close.
I know i wouldnt!

/VV

3Jane · 01-07-08, 08:32 AM

As soon as you get a ship sighted message check your depth under keel incase you need to dive. Do it regularly anyway as you go along. Also you can check when the depth charges are exploding as the sound will be disguised as well as of course your e-motor noise.

Fr8monkey · 01-07-08, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 3Jane

As soon as you get a ship sighted message check your depth under keel incase you need to dive. Do it regularly anyway as you go along. Also you can check when the depth charges are exploding as the sound will be disguised as well as of course your e-motor noise.

Good idea! Found that out the hard way. Had to crash dive after torping a Cruiser and forgot It was only 45m deep.

BulSoldier · 01-07-08, 09:53 AM

Actually ingame pinging the bottom wont give away your position.It is undetectable by the enemy,also firing torps or blowing ballast wont be detected by enemy.In RL it was detectable.
I dont blow ballast or pingig if enemy is nearby something like honor rule

Gwx 1.03 here but i think this thigs are hardcoded and are present in 2.0

vodkavera · 01-07-08, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BulSoldier

Actually ingame pinging the bottom wont give away your position.It is undetectable by the enemy,also firing torps or blowing ballast wont be detected by enemy.In RL it was detectable.
I dont blow ballast or pingig if enemy is nearby something like honor rule

Gwx 1.03 here but i think this thigs are hardcoded and are present in 2.0

Are you sure about that?
IIRC the manual says something about that you have to be carefull
with the pinging when escorts are close, but I could be wrong.

/VV

BulSoldier · 01-07-08, 10:18 AM

Well i heard it from around here and tested it with success (havent been detected) i too could be wrong, lets wait someone with greater knowledge to say.

TomcatMVD · 01-07-08, 11:22 AM

SHIII manual tells you to be careful about it... however, I don't think is moddeled... In fact, you are able to get depth under keel on a non-sonar equipped sub

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I might be wrong but... don't you need a sonar to ping? Or is it just Bernard yelling a very high-pitched tone to the sea bottom?

Sailor Steve · 01-07-08, 11:36 AM

It was a very simple sonar device that sent a signal straight down. You can operate it manually from the navigator's table. They all had it, it did ping, and it could be detected. In the game? Now you've all got me wondering.

rizZO_77 · 01-07-08, 11:57 AM

AFAIK you'll NOT be detected.
Pretty unrealistic imho but it just isn't modeled in (stock) SHIII

TomcatMVD · 01-07-08, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It was a very simple sonar device that sent a signal straight down. You can operate it manually from the navigator's table. They all had it, it did ping, and it could be detected. In the game? Now you've all got me wondering.

I know, but, is it realistic to have an Atlas Echolot that pings and not to have a sonar? I don't know, just asking.

Dronston · 01-07-08, 03:20 PM

lol, good to see many share my doubt :p

Like I said, I never got the impression from the AI that pinging the bottom provoked any reaction at all.

01-07-08, 04:09 PM

But of late I just check it even next to DDs - no effect. I also used to think that DDs would come to the aid of a sinking merchant if it was at least in sight. Apparently not. They do come to the aid of a sinking warship you are fighting with. I mean - yes they do come to the aid of a sinking merchant, but only if their distance is somewhere less than 900 meters. When I would play the standard mods or the regular game I would sneak in under the lead DD and start shooting ships when it was behind me. But when I started to build my own convoys I was in the habit of spacing ships at 1100 t0 1500 meters (especially in navy Task Forces). It was after that that i started to notice that I'd start sinking ships but as long as I kept my motor quiet the lead DD (now behind me) would just keep sailing off along the wavepoint line. I have not run tests yet to see if leaving my engines quiet will work at smaller distances - maybe it will.

I will test it some more. Perhaps the only reason I was ever attacked before was because in attacks I tended to ramp up my engines to all ahead full. I hope this all proves false (I will test more) cause if it is true it will mean SH3 is just SH2 all over again!

Sailor Steve · 01-07-08, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TomcatMVD

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It was a very simple sonar device that sent a signal straight down. You can operate it manually from the navigator's table. They all had it, it did ping, and it could be detected. In the game? Now you've all got me wondering.

I know, but, is it realistic to have an Atlas Echolot that pings and not to have a sonar? I don't know, just asking.

I'm pretty sure they did have the sounding device long before they had active sonar. Why? I have no idea, unless it's maybe it's that the echelot requires a simple push of a button, and sonar requires a complex system and a highly trained operator.

TomcatMVD · 01-08-08, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

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Originally Posted by TomcatMVD

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It was a very simple sonar device that sent a signal straight down. You can operate it manually from the navigator's table. They all had it, it did ping, and it could be detected. In the game? Now you've all got me wondering.

I know, but, is it realistic to have an Atlas Echolot that pings and not to have a sonar? I don't know, just asking.

I'm pretty sure they did have the sounding device long before they had active sonar. Why? I have no idea, unless it's maybe it's that the echelot requires a simple push of a button, and sonar requires a complex system and a highly trained operator.

Fair enough, I'll buy that

01-07-08, 07:51 AM	#1
Dronston Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 263 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	Depth under keel Can you use the depth under keel ping anytime you like or will it give your position away to the enemy? I never had the experience that it would change my noise meter to red or a DD rushing to my position but I wanna be sure for obvious reasons

01-07-08, 08:32 AM	#3
3Jane Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: York. Northern England. Posts: 1,004 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As soon as you get a ship sighted message check your depth under keel incase you need to dive. Do it regularly anyway as you go along. Also you can check when the depth charges are exploding as the sound will be disguised as well as of course your e-motor noise. __________________ Fate opposes me in vitality and morality, forced ever onward, burdened, always in shackles. So this very moment, without tarrying, pluck the quivering strings. Because fate punishes the one who plays, all lament with me. (http://hosted.filefront.com/KatherineRowan)

01-07-08, 09:53 AM	#5
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Actually ingame pinging the bottom wont give away your position.It is undetectable by the enemy,also firing torps or blowing ballast wont be detected by enemy.In RL it was detectable. I dont blow ballast or pingig if enemy is nearby something like honor rule Gwx 1.03 here but i think this thigs are hardcoded and are present in 2.0 __________________ By the hour !

01-07-08, 10:18 AM	#7
BulSoldier Samurai Navy Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Burgas/Bulgaria Posts: 550 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	Well i heard it from around here and tested it with success (havent been detected) i too could be wrong, lets wait someone with greater knowledge to say. __________________ By the hour !

01-07-08, 11:36 AM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	It was a very simple sonar device that sent a signal straight down. You can operate it manually from the navigator's table. They all had it, it did ping, and it could be detected. In the game? Now you've all got me wondering. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-07-08, 11:22 AM	#8
TomcatMVD Weps Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: MVD, UY Posts: 359 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	SHIII manual tells you to be careful about it... however, I don't think is moddeled... In fact, you are able to get depth under keel on a non-sonar equipped sub . I might be wrong but... don't you need a sonar to ping? Or is it just Bernard yelling a very high-pitched tone to the sea bottom?

01-07-08, 11:57 AM	#10
rizZO_77 Sailor man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Middelburg, Netherlands Posts: 45 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	AFAIK you'll NOT be detected. Pretty unrealistic imho but it just isn't modeled in (stock) SHIII __________________ so we've got torpedo's on this heap of junk.... Where are the phaser banks?

01-07-08, 03:20 PM	#12
Dronston Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 263 Downloads: 68 Uploads: 0	lol, good to see many share my doubt :p Like I said, I never got the impression from the AI that pinging the bottom provoked any reaction at all.

01-07-08, 04:09 PM	#13
Wave Skipper Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I used to worry But of late I just check it even next to DDs - no effect. I also used to think that DDs would come to the aid of a sinking merchant if it was at least in sight. Apparently not. They do come to the aid of a sinking warship you are fighting with. I mean - yes they do come to the aid of a sinking merchant, but only if their distance is somewhere less than 900 meters. When I would play the standard mods or the regular game I would sneak in under the lead DD and start shooting ships when it was behind me. But when I started to build my own convoys I was in the habit of spacing ships at 1100 t0 1500 meters (especially in navy Task Forces). It was after that that i started to notice that I'd start sinking ships but as long as I kept my motor quiet the lead DD (now behind me) would just keep sailing off along the wavepoint line. I have not run tests yet to see if leaving my engines quiet will work at smaller distances - maybe it will. I will test it some more. Perhaps the only reason I was ever attacked before was because in attacks I tended to ramp up my engines to all ahead full. I hope this all proves false (I will test more) cause if it is true it will mean SH3 is just SH2 all over again!