Radar warning receiver

joegrundman · 09-23-07, 08:25 PM

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but from reading other threads it seems people are getting bearing to signal and type of radar transmitter (airborne or surface) from the radar warning receiver (Fumo29 or above)

All I ever get is a warning that radar is detected (neue empfangesignal).

Am I missing something obvious?

irish1958 · 09-23-07, 09:04 PM

The bearing line will show on f5. If you play on 100% realism, I am not sure if this is true.

Spruence M · 09-23-07, 09:12 PM

Maybe:

Maybe your seeing people reporting a bearing from the line like Irish suggested. Too my knowledge, (At least in Grey Wolves) it does not "Give" you the type of contact, in words like "Escort Radar Detected" or "Aircraft Radar Detected". Maybe when players report this, they are judging from the speed that the range increases or decreases, or from how fast the bearings change to target, which would give them an idea weither its a ship or an aircraft.

Besides, when players post here, they already know what type of contact it was, chances are they delt with it and are posting their results of the engagement.

papa_smurf · 09-24-07, 11:14 AM

Not sure wether other U-boat captains get this with there radar detectors - I get Red lines for detected radar, but also get grey lines. Now im guessing that red lines are for ships, and grey for aircraft. Not really sure, or had time to prove this, as I dive as soon as possible so im not detected.

09-24-07, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by joegrundman

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but from reading other threads it seems people are getting bearing to signal and type of radar transmitter (airborne or surface) from the radar warning receiver (Fumo29 or above)

All I ever get is a warning that radar is detected (neue empfangesignal).

Am I missing something obvious?

FuMO-29 was the first u-boat radar set. It had 12 dipole antenna installed on the front of the conning tower, therefore, it had an arc of only 60-degrees.

Do not confuse FuMO-29 with Metox (FuMB-1, called the Biscay Cross) which was the first radar detector. It was made of wood and shaped in a cross. It had to be rotated manually through its 360-degree arc. It also had to be thrown down into the control room in a crash dive. Many had to be repaired.

I'm using GWX 1.03 and the radar detector picks up both ship borne and aircraft radar. They are noted by different colors. Your Metox will pick them up before they pick you up. Therefore, in SH3 you can determine accurate bearing and course. In real life, the radar detector did not give this accurate bearing or distance, thus one could not easily tell if the warning was from a ship or an airplane.

joegrundman · 09-24-07, 09:19 PM

Sorry, you are quite right Von Zelda, I do mean Metox, and not Fumo. I'm glad I don't have to rotate it myself.

So historically it DID give bearing to course, albeit with a low accuracy and no actual ability to determine whether airborne or shipborne.

I've often wondered whether this feature was incorporated into the game. As i play on 100% (that is with no map contact updates) it seems the only info i get from the metox is whether there is a signal or not. There is no bearing information. This is obviously much less helpful.

Or is it possible to get a signal readout in the radar station as you do for radar and sonar? That would be really helpful

09-25-07, 06:27 AM

Joe,

If you played with map contacts on, you would get the contact lines including exact bearing and distance. However, this is not realistic.

The way you play is more realistic. Metox, then Naxos, etc. gave rough bearings and most likely no accurate distance. And probably could not tell if it was from a plane or a ship. The reaction to radar warning was Crash Dive.

I guess it is a toss up on which way one wants to play this game?

joegrundman · 09-25-07, 10:20 AM

For me I cannot stand map contact updates on. It gives me way too much info and i can't discipline myself to ignore it. But in this one respect i feel it would be nice if you could get some kind of bearing to radar source when playing no map contact updates on, just as you can with hydrophones by listening to it.

How did the Metox work? Did it have an ammeter meter, or was it in the from of sound? It would be so nice if you could have this function in the radio man's room so you could rotate it manually and check the bearing the signal comes from

Oh well...dream on

09-25-07, 12:06 PM

Can't have every thing in a game. It's a compromise.

Metox and the other radar detectors (IIRC) were audible.

joegrundman · 09-25-07, 09:31 PM

That would be great to have in game! As the game itself does in fact know which direction the signal comes from, i wonder if that's a moddable feature:hmm:

I don't suppose you know what it would sound like when you are listening to a search radar? I presume it's just white noise when there is no signal to hear, like an untuned television.

Thanks for the info Von Zelda

09-23-07, 08:25 PM	#1
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Radar warning receiver Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but from reading other threads it seems people are getting bearing to signal and type of radar transmitter (airborne or surface) from the radar warning receiver (Fumo29 or above) All I ever get is a warning that radar is detected (neue empfangesignal). Am I missing something obvious? __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

09-23-07, 09:04 PM	#2
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	The bearing line will show on f5. If you play on 100% realism, I am not sure if this is true. __________________ Irish1958

09-24-07, 09:19 PM	#6
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Sorry, you are quite right Von Zelda, I do mean Metox, and not Fumo. I'm glad I don't have to rotate it myself. So historically it DID give bearing to course, albeit with a low accuracy and no actual ability to determine whether airborne or shipborne. I've often wondered whether this feature was incorporated into the game. As i play on 100% (that is with no map contact updates) it seems the only info i get from the metox is whether there is a signal or not. There is no bearing information. This is obviously much less helpful. Or is it possible to get a signal readout in the radar station as you do for radar and sonar? That would be really helpful __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

09-25-07, 10:20 AM	#8
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	For me I cannot stand map contact updates on. It gives me way too much info and i can't discipline myself to ignore it. But in this one respect i feel it would be nice if you could get some kind of bearing to radar source when playing no map contact updates on, just as you can with hydrophones by listening to it. How did the Metox work? Did it have an ammeter meter, or was it in the from of sound? It would be so nice if you could have this function in the radio man's room so you could rotate it manually and check the bearing the signal comes from Oh well...dream on __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

09-25-07, 09:31 PM	#10
joegrundman Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,689 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	That would be great to have in game! As the game itself does in fact know which direction the signal comes from, i wonder if that's a moddable feature:hmm: I don't suppose you know what it would sound like when you are listening to a search radar? I presume it's just white noise when there is no signal to hear, like an untuned television. Thanks for the info Von Zelda __________________ "Enemy submarines are to be called U-Boats. The term submarine is to be reserved for Allied under water vessels. U-Boats are those dastardly villains who sink our ships, while submarines are those gallant and noble craft which sink theirs." Winston Churchill

09-23-07, 09:12 PM	#3
Spruence M Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 14 Meters Posts: 394 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Maybe: Maybe your seeing people reporting a bearing from the line like Irish suggested. Too my knowledge, (At least in Grey Wolves) it does not "Give" you the type of contact, in words like "Escort Radar Detected" or "Aircraft Radar Detected". Maybe when players report this, they are judging from the speed that the range increases or decreases, or from how fast the bearings change to target, which would give them an idea weither its a ship or an aircraft. Besides, when players post here, they already know what type of contact it was, chances are they delt with it and are posting their results of the engagement.

09-24-07, 11:14 AM	#4
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Not sure wether other U-boat captains get this with there radar detectors - I get Red lines for detected radar, but also get grey lines. Now im guessing that red lines are for ships, and grey for aircraft. Not really sure, or had time to prove this, as I dive as soon as possible so im not detected.

09-25-07, 06:27 AM	#7
von Zelda Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Joe, If you played with map contacts on, you would get the contact lines including exact bearing and distance. However, this is not realistic. The way you play is more realistic. Metox, then Naxos, etc. gave rough bearings and most likely no accurate distance. And probably could not tell if it was from a plane or a ship. The reaction to radar warning was Crash Dive. I guess it is a toss up on which way one wants to play this game?

09-25-07, 12:06 PM	#9
von Zelda Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Can't have every thing in a game. It's a compromise. Metox and the other radar detectors (IIRC) were audible.