Wow I have just installed linux...

Camaero · 09-10-07, 01:44 PM

For the first time I am trying out Linux. Ubuntu to be exact. A few things are a lot tougher, installing my ati card for one was a bit of a pain in the ass. I do like most everything else though.

What do you guys think, is it possible to just completely switch or do I still need an xp duel boot? I haven't tried playing any games yet so that is one untested area...

JSLTIGER · 09-10-07, 02:23 PM

I use Linux on a very occasional basis, but my understanding is that many games have incompatibilities.

bradclark1 · 09-10-07, 02:45 PM

Check out Wine and see what games they list that you have.
http://appdb.winehq.org/

DAB · 09-10-07, 02:48 PM

I use Linux as much as possible... Ubuntu just like yourself. Its a practical operating system which could be refinned a bit more - but then again look at the price tag.

Games though are impossible, and there are some people who send you files who seem to look at you as if your completely mad unless you use that priority piece of software only avaliable on Windows.

Keep the Duel boot, use Linux for the Internet and productivity - and keep windows there for when you need it.

SUBMAN1 · 09-10-07, 02:51 PM

You can get most games to play in Linux, but expect it to be a pain in the *ss. WINE will do a lot of them, but you may need to get Cedega. As far as everything else, install OpenOffice, and you should have no trouble ditching Windows. I run a combo of OS's at home, and Gentoo is actually my favorite - you can tweak it till you turn blue in the face and still find ways to make it go faster. There is also some pride in creating your own version of an OS as you can with Gentoo, taylored to your specific machine so much, that it won't even run on any other machine than the one you made it for - and this machine specific code will actually run faster because it lacks any bloat and its all compiled for your hardware.

My primary server at home is a Linux Gentoo install.

-S

PS. - WINE - http://www.winehq.org/ - Information on getting WIndows apps working under WINE - http://frankscorner.org/ - Seems Silent Hunter III works fine - http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5618

PPS. Cedega will do pretty much any game out there and is an alternative to Wine, but it costs $$$ for a subscription - http://www.transgaming.com/

Camaero · 09-11-07, 01:05 AM

Thanks for the tips and the links everybody. I think the main thing holding me back is my lack of knowledge on this new OS. Sometimes Linux frustrates the hell out of me and yet other times it just peaks out way further than XP. I guess I will use XP as a gaming platform and use Linux for everything else. XP is still so much easier for me to install games and other programs. I installed a game with WINE and now I can't figure out how to uninstall it for instance.

Later.

The Avon Lady · 09-11-07, 01:10 AM

So where exactly is the "WOW" here? :hmm:

Slightly related, if you've got an old PC and time on your hands, read 15 Ways to Reinvent Your PC. Those projects should keep you busy.

antikristuseke · 09-11-07, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Camaero

For the first time I am trying out Linux. Ubuntu to be exact. A few things are a lot tougher, installing my ati card for one was a bit of a pain in the ass. I do like most everything else though.

What do you guys think, is it possible to just completely switch or do I still need an xp duel boot? I haven't tried playing any games yet so that is one untested area...

Ati drivers from linux have sucked so far, Nvidia has better suport in that area tbh. Nut yeah you should keep the dual boot.

bradclark1 · 09-11-07, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

So where exactly is the "WOW" here? :hmm:

It's not Microsoft.

The Avon Lady · 09-11-07, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bradclark1

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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

So where exactly is the "WOW" here? :hmm:

It's not Microsoft.

That would be "aaaahhhhhhhh", as in a sigh of relief.

DeepIron · 09-11-07, 08:25 AM

I'm an ex-IT admin and have used LINUX in one form or another for over ten years. I owned an ISP at one time and ran all 10 servers on SuSE Linux very successfully. One thing to keep in mind, Linux can be an incredible production enviroment for services like web serving, email servers and firewalling boxes. Or as a development tool using the GCC compilers and toolchain.

LINUX still has a long way to go to garner the kind of userbase that Windows has established over the years.

It is NOT going to fulfill any needs you may have in the gaming arena if that is what you're after. It has an emulation system called WINE which is quite powerful in it's own right, and would be ok for games using SDL and OpenGL, but performs poorly, if at all for MS stuff...

Please don't let my comments detract from the "WOW" factor. Once you harness the power of a UNIX-like OS, it can be very hard to put up with the mediocre cr*p that MS calls an Operating System.

Enjoy your new found power!

SUBMAN1 · 09-11-07, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaero

Thanks for the tips and the links everybody. I think the main thing holding me back is my lack of knowledge on this new OS. Sometimes Linux frustrates the hell out of me and yet other times it just peaks out way further than XP. I guess I will use XP as a gaming platform and use Linux for everything else. XP is still so much easier for me to install games and other programs. I installed a game with WINE and now I can't figure out how to uninstall it for instance.

Later.

/usr is a likely place to search. Or /opt - some games like to install there. /usr/local is another place to look.

-S

SUBMAN1 · 09-11-07, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Ati drivers from linux have sucked so far, Nvidia has better suport in that area tbh. Nut yeah you should keep the dual boot.

Actually I diagree with that statement. I find better support with ATI lately - they have drivers for everything, even though a lot of them are proprietary. And I'm ticked at NVidia for not giving me my BIOS assisted RAID drivers for Linux - they make the chipset that my board runs under for the Southbridge. No one can figure out how to make the RAID drivers work either - like you can for Sil RAID or Intel RAID's. NVidia used to be great! Problem is - they suck big time now. I can easily find NVidia drivers for my older NForce boards, but not for newer boards. I hate NVidia in the Linux rhealm lately.

The guys on the Gentoo forum found a solution though - they took their ASUS boards back and purchased Linux compatible versions. Nice.

-S

goldorak · 09-11-07, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Ati drivers from linux have sucked so far, Nvidia has better suport in that area tbh. Nut yeah you should keep the dual boot.

Actually I diagree with that statement. I find better support with ATI lately - they have drivers for everything, even though a lot of them are proprietary. And I'm ticked at NVidia for not giving me my BIOS assisted RAID drivers for Linux - they make the chipset that my board runs under for the Southbridge. No one can figure out how to make the RAID drivers work either - like you can for Sil RAID or Intel RAID's. NVidia used to be great! Problem is - they suck big time now. I can easily find NVidia drivers for my older NForce boards, but not for newer boards. I hate NVidia in the Linux rhealm lately.

The guys on the Gentoo forum found a solution though - they took their ASUS boards back and purchased Linux compatible versions. Nice.

-S

Subman1 its true that ati drivers for chipset are better than nvidia's.
But for graphics card ati sux big time, and if you only want to use 3d accelerated graphics under linux/unix the only way is to get an nvidia card.
I've used ati cards for the past 6 years, and every single time i installed a version of linux i had non stopping problems with the graphics drivers.
Even matrox has better support than ati under linux.
Now i finally phased out ati and went with nvidia and the experience is so much smoother its not even funny.

Camaero · 09-12-07, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

I'm an ex-IT admin and have used LINUX in one form or another for over ten years. I owned an ISP at one time and ran all 10 servers on SuSE Linux very successfully. One thing to keep in mind, Linux can be an incredible production enviroment for services like web serving, email servers and firewalling boxes. Or as a development tool using the GCC compilers and toolchain.

LINUX still has a long way to go to garner the kind of userbase that Windows has established over the years.

It is NOT going to fulfill any needs you may have in the gaming arena if that is what you're after. It has an emulation system called WINE which is quite powerful in it's own right, and would be ok for games using SDL and OpenGL, but performs poorly, if at all for MS stuff...

Please don't let my comments detract from the "WOW" factor. Once you harness the power of a UNIX-like OS, it can be very hard to put up with the mediocre cr*p that MS calls an Operating System.

Enjoy your new found power!

As far as website development, do you have any good suggestions when it comes to Linux? I have made a few on Front Page but I am curious if there are some better ones for free on Linux?

09-10-07, 01:44 PM	#1
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Wow I have just installed linux... For the first time I am trying out Linux. Ubuntu to be exact. A few things are a lot tougher, installing my ati card for one was a bit of a pain in the ass. I do like most everything else though. What do you guys think, is it possible to just completely switch or do I still need an xp duel boot? I haven't tried playing any games yet so that is one untested area... __________________

09-10-07, 02:23 PM	#2
JSLTIGER The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Parkland, FL, USA Posts: 1,437 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I use Linux on a very occasional basis, but my understanding is that many games have incompatibilities. __________________ Thor: Intel Core i7 4770K\|ASUS Z87Pro\|32GB DDR3 RAM\|11GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti Black\|256GB Crucial M4 SSD+2TB WD HDD\|4X LG BD-RE\|32" Acer Predator Z321QU 165Hz G-Sync (2540x1440)\|Logitech Z-323 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Pro Explorer (MSI GL63 8RE-629 Laptop): Intel Core i7 8750H\|16GB DDR4 RAM\|6GB GeForce GTX 1060\|128GB SSD+1TB HDD\|15.6" Widescreen (1920x1080)\|Logitech R-20 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Home

09-10-07, 02:48 PM	#4
DAB Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 263 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I use Linux as much as possible... Ubuntu just like yourself. Its a practical operating system which could be refinned a bit more - but then again look at the price tag. Games though are impossible, and there are some people who send you files who seem to look at you as if your completely mad unless you use that priority piece of software only avaliable on Windows. Keep the Duel boot, use Linux for the Internet and productivity - and keep windows there for when you need it. __________________ ...snorting / snorkelling after several years of silent running.

09-10-07, 02:51 PM	#5
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	You can get most games to play in Linux, but expect it to be a pain in the *ss. WINE will do a lot of them, but you may need to get Cedega. As far as everything else, install OpenOffice, and you should have no trouble ditching Windows. I run a combo of OS's at home, and Gentoo is actually my favorite - you can tweak it till you turn blue in the face and still find ways to make it go faster. There is also some pride in creating your own version of an OS as you can with Gentoo, taylored to your specific machine so much, that it won't even run on any other machine than the one you made it for - and this machine specific code will actually run faster because it lacks any bloat and its all compiled for your hardware. My primary server at home is a Linux Gentoo install. -S PS. - WINE - http://www.winehq.org/ - Information on getting WIndows apps working under WINE - http://frankscorner.org/ - Seems Silent Hunter III works fine - http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=5618 PPS. Cedega will do pretty much any game out there and is an alternative to Wine, but it costs $$$ for a subscription - http://www.transgaming.com/ __________________

09-11-07, 01:05 AM	#6
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the tips and the links everybody. I think the main thing holding me back is my lack of knowledge on this new OS. Sometimes Linux frustrates the hell out of me and yet other times it just peaks out way further than XP. I guess I will use XP as a gaming platform and use Linux for everything else. XP is still so much easier for me to install games and other programs. I installed a game with WINE and now I can't figure out how to uninstall it for instance. Later. __________________

09-10-07, 02:45 PM	#3
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Check out Wine and see what games they list that you have. http://appdb.winehq.org/

09-11-07, 01:10 AM	#7
The Avon Lady Über Mom Join Date: May 2005 Location: Jerusalem, Israel Posts: 6,147 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	So where exactly is the "WOW" here? :hmm: Slightly related, if you've got an old PC and time on your hands, read 15 Ways to Reinvent Your PC. Those projects should keep you busy. __________________ "Victory will come to us from the wombs of our women." - Houari Boumedienne, President of Algeria, Speech before the UN, 1974

09-11-07, 08:25 AM	#11
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm an ex-IT admin and have used LINUX in one form or another for over ten years. I owned an ISP at one time and ran all 10 servers on SuSE Linux very successfully. One thing to keep in mind, Linux can be an incredible production enviroment for services like web serving, email servers and firewalling boxes. Or as a development tool using the GCC compilers and toolchain. LINUX still has a long way to go to garner the kind of userbase that Windows has established over the years. It is NOT going to fulfill any needs you may have in the gaming arena if that is what you're after. It has an emulation system called WINE which is quite powerful in it's own right, and would be ok for games using SDL and OpenGL, but performs poorly, if at all for MS stuff... Please don't let my comments detract from the "WOW" factor. Once you harness the power of a UNIX-like OS, it can be very hard to put up with the mediocre cr*p that MS calls an Operating System. Enjoy your new found power!