Can Venezuela Defeat England?

TteFAboB · 09-08-07, 01:27 PM

In naval warfare?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2368707.ece

Hakahura · 09-08-07, 02:21 PM

As the artical suggests "Sabre Rattling".

Don't think they would make the mistake of trying.

ASWnut101 · 09-08-07, 02:22 PM

Nope.

lesrae · 09-08-07, 03:36 PM

They could possibly beat England, but not the United Kingdom

Kapitan · 09-08-07, 03:53 PM

All we would do is send down a fleet with two carriers and re activate HMS invincible, not only that i would have thought they may carry more harriers in cargo ships and also utilise HMS Ocean as a carrier vessel too.

But in terms of fighting us i doubt it very much they have no aircraft carriers, no real big fleet like ours and so they wouldnt really do much to us.

fatty · 09-08-07, 04:29 PM

Interesting comparison to make because the Royal Navy hasn't changed too much in composition since 1982 but has almost halved in size. If the battles are taking place in the Falklands and Venezuela can use Argentine ports and airfields, they'd definitely have a fighting chance, especially in a few years when they get the rest of their Su-30s and their SSKs.

I vote a draw.

Jimbuna · 09-09-07, 09:25 AM

I can't imagine any future conflict in the area without assistance from the Americans

They won't want to see a miniature superpower evolving and locking horns with their best ally in their own backyard

nikimcbee · 09-09-07, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lesrae

They could possibly beat England, but not the United Kingdom

Scottish factor?

lesrae · 09-09-07, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Scottish factor?

And Welsh, and Irish.

Godalmighty83 · 09-09-07, 01:11 PM

well we need something to test the astutes out on, have they got any big ships we can sink this time?

Hakahura · 09-09-07, 02:07 PM

Well going by the UK's last foray into those waters against a Latin Navy, 1 Astute should be more than enough.

Last time 3 simple unguided Mk8 torpedos found their target, the General Belgrano was sunk and the rest of the Argentinian Navy fled for port. Possibly the most cost effective Naval engament ever? An entire fleet taken out for the cost of 3 vintage torpedos. What a shame the Junta of the time did not see the writing on the wall at this juncture.

Be a few years yet before the Asutes reach fleet service, but I'm sure the existing Trafalgars are more than up to the task.

As a I said in a previous post this is most probably a case of "sabre rattling".
Can't really see an advantage in such a move for Venezuela.
Not to mention the fact that the residents of the Falkland Islands have repeatedly expressed their wish to remain UK subjects. They have been there for generations and as far as I'm aware there is no supressed silent minority yearning for "liberation".

Linton · 09-09-07, 02:15 PM

Only England?Does this mean that the rest of Great Britain will not be attacked?

Spruence M · 09-09-07, 02:42 PM

Only way the english will loose a war these days is the same reason america will loose one.

If the people of their nation have no balls and cry and whine about it until the government just gives up.

Jimbuna · 09-09-07, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spruence M

Only way the english will loose a war these days is the same reason america will loose one.

If the people of their nation have no balls and cry and whine about it until the government just gives up.

Not that I'm 'anti war' mind you

....but both countries have been doing a fair job of ignoring their people over the Iraq situation :hmm:

fatty · 09-09-07, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hakahura

Last time 3 simple unguided Mk8 torpedos found their target, the General Belgrano was sunk and the rest of the Argentinian Navy fled for port. Possibly the most cost effective Naval engament ever? An entire fleet taken out for the cost of 3 vintage torpedos.

Actual UK equipment casualties:

10 (Sea) Harriers
24 helicopters
2 destroyers
2 frigates
1 LSL landing ship
1 LCU amphibious craft
1 containership

Source: wiki. Puts things into a different perspective I think.

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09-08-07, 01:27 PM	#1
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Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	As the artical suggests "Sabre Rattling". Don't think they would make the mistake of trying. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

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ASWnut101 Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: USA Posts: 2,021 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Nope. __________________

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lesrae Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Somerset, UK. Posts: 932 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	They could possibly beat England, but not the United Kingdom __________________ DOLPHIN 38

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,130 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	All we would do is send down a fleet with two carriers and re activate HMS invincible, not only that i would have thought they may carry more harriers in cargo ships and also utilise HMS Ocean as a carrier vessel too. But in terms of fighting us i doubt it very much they have no aircraft carriers, no real big fleet like ours and so they wouldnt really do much to us. __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-08-07, 04:29 PM	#6
fatty The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,448 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Interesting comparison to make because the Royal Navy hasn't changed too much in composition since 1982 but has almost halved in size. If the battles are taking place in the Falklands and Venezuela can use Argentine ports and airfields, they'd definitely have a fighting chance, especially in a few years when they get the rest of their Su-30s and their SSKs. I vote a draw.

09-09-07, 09:25 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,526 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I can't imagine any future conflict in the area without assistance from the Americans They won't want to see a miniature superpower evolving and locking horns with their best ally in their own backyard __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-09-07, 01:11 PM	#10
Godalmighty83 Sonar Guy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	well we need something to test the astutes out on, have they got any big ships we can sink this time? __________________ Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?

09-09-07, 02:07 PM	#11
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well going by the UK's last foray into those waters against a Latin Navy, 1 Astute should be more than enough. Last time 3 simple unguided Mk8 torpedos found their target, the General Belgrano was sunk and the rest of the Argentinian Navy fled for port. Possibly the most cost effective Naval engament ever? An entire fleet taken out for the cost of 3 vintage torpedos. What a shame the Junta of the time did not see the writing on the wall at this juncture. Be a few years yet before the Asutes reach fleet service, but I'm sure the existing Trafalgars are more than up to the task. As a I said in a previous post this is most probably a case of "sabre rattling". Can't really see an advantage in such a move for Venezuela. Not to mention the fact that the residents of the Falkland Islands have repeatedly expressed their wish to remain UK subjects. They have been there for generations and as far as I'm aware there is no supressed silent minority yearning for "liberation". __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

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Linton Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Only England?Does this mean that the rest of Great Britain will not be attacked? __________________ http://lintonsview.blogspot.com/

09-09-07, 02:42 PM	#13
Spruence M Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 14 Meters Posts: 394 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Only way the english will loose a war these days is the same reason america will loose one. If the people of their nation have no balls and cry and whine about it until the government just gives up.