[REQ] Lighting (not lightning) effect fix

Quagmire · 08-15-07, 12:32 PM

Do you talented people know how to fix this annoying problem. The lighting effect in this game are really screwed up. Especially when viewed from a distance. It may be a texturing problem too since viewing ships from a distance is whacked. You know, blinking textures on ships most noticed when they are damaged.

Here are some screenies that explain what I mean:

I know some of you guys are playing with the lighting effects on the ocean. I there any way to simply turn off the lighting effects on the small objects like rails. You really wouldnt miss them since they are so small.

Please help! THANKS!
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TDK1044 · 08-15-07, 12:41 PM

Looks like a video card issue to me. A combination of sun glare and AA. I don't see this problem on my Nvidia card. Are you using an Ati card by any chance?

sneekyzeke · 08-15-07, 01:17 PM

I run 1024x768x32 with 4x Anti-Aliasing (AA) and 4x Anisotropic Filtering (AF) which is all my rig can handle, but it runs smoothly and looks great. The color banding on that railing can be minimised by either increasing AA or resolution or both, depending on your performance. I encourage you to visit http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_1.html for everything you ever wanted to know about this sort of thing; also after that go to his home page and look at his guides that are specific for your video card brand as he has some great info there. Hope this helps; Zeke.

Misfit138 · 08-15-07, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sneekyzeke

The color banding on that railing can be minimised by either increasing AA or resolution or both, depending on your performance.

Out of curiosity, are you running an ATI or Nvidia card?

It seems that we ATI users can't make those jagged lines go away no matter the AA or resolution

sneekyzeke · 08-15-07, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Misfit138

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Originally Posted by sneekyzeke

The color banding on that railing can be minimised by either increasing AA or resolution or both, depending on your performance.

Out of curiosity, are you running an ATI or Nvidia card?

It seems that we ATI users can't make those jagged lines go away no matter the AA or resolution

Aye-ffirmative. But they look a helluva lot better on mine, 'cause I READ.

kapitan_zur_see · 08-15-07, 01:26 PM

it has nothing to do with the game itself, it's a "problem" wich origin goes back since the very first of all 3D game.It's a matter of rendering 3d on screens like those we're using. kinda hard to explain on the fly. It's just that on the screen resolutions we're using, that details you're showing on your pic is only 3-4 pixels wide. Hence it cannot renders details like we sees with our eyes in real life, wich are much more precise than a screen.

there are ways to limit that effect to a considerable extent, but at the cost of hardware...

Try using values of at least 6x for Anti-aliasing (they "remove" jaggy edges)
Try adding Adaptative antialiasing should your video card has it.
Try using highest possible resolution on your screens
Try waiting for some new i-don't-know-when screens with resolution of up to 5120x4096 or more where you will have less problems like that... But well, that's not a solution available today

Either way, it's not moddable and "doesn't need to". You'll see plenty of those on other games, depending on your "choice" of resolution and Antialias settings

sneekyzeke · 08-15-07, 01:31 PM

Tried to edit my last post, but it didn't work. Look at his frame rate. I would KILL for that kinda FPS. He could probably benefit by increasing goodies or resolution or both.

Misfit138 · 08-15-07, 01:48 PM

So, if this has something to do with AA settings then how come my S-class conning tower sides still look as ugly with 6x AA and adaptive AA on as without them?

And for the record. I was using 1280x1024 resolution in both of these cases

Jhereg · 08-15-07, 02:45 PM

Misfit and OP, 1280x1024 is still gonna get you some aliasing on near horizontal rendered objects.

SH3 gives me those even tho my AA is at 16Q and 16 aniso @ 60 FPS; on SH4 they are less noticeable due to running at 1920x1200.

You are running at near SH3 res (1024x768) and as such the aliasing is magnified, try running at a higher resolution with a lower AA as that may improve the overall appearance more than a lower res with higher AA.

Misfit138 · 08-15-07, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhereg

You are running at near SH3 res (1024x768) and as such the aliasing is magnified, try running at a higher resolution with a lower AA as that may improve the overall appearance more than a lower res with higher AA.

Thanks for suggestion but this is the maximum resolution of my 17' CRT. Been planning to buy a new bigger monitor but playing games like Red Orchestra becomes difficult for me because of my tunnel vision

Jhereg · 08-15-07, 03:18 PM

Hmmm, try getting one of the 20inch LCDs with a 1600x1200 resolution as they are not really to large in actual screen physical size but is high resolution.

Hopefully this is not to big for your tunnel vision.

4:3 aspect ratio on above

Misfit138 · 08-15-07, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhereg

Hmmm, try getting one of the 20inch LCDs with a 1600x1200 resolution as they are not really to large in actual screen physical size but is high resolution.

Hmm, got any suggestions for this kind of monitor?

There's so many LCD's out there that I just don't have a slightest clue which ones are actually worth buying

THE_MASK · 08-15-07, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sneekyzeke

I run 1024x768x32 with 4x Anti-Aliasing (AA) and 4x Anisotropic Filtering (AF) .

Try 1280 x 960 x 70hz with 2 x AA and 4 x AF with Mipmap detail on quality .

Jhereg · 08-15-07, 07:18 PM

Misfit, the Samsung SyncMaster 204B is a good choice in the 300ish dollar range, very good 5ms response time and great 800:1 contrast ratio.

The Dell 20.1 incher is also nice and you may be able to get it cheaper with their Coupons/Deals they run all the time. HTH

edit: Go check the Sammy out at Bestbuy or some other big box store, that way you'll be sure its not too big, or any other 20.1 inch 4:3 ratio LCD.
edit 2: LOL, sorry bout that just saw you are in Finland, do not know if Dell does buisiness there, but you should be able to get the Sammy there for sure.

Misfit138 · 08-15-07, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhereg

edit 2: LOL, sorry bout that just saw you are in Finland, do not know if Dell does buisiness there, but you should be able to get the Sammy there for sure.

Hehe, well there's some kind of dell netstore so might as well check it out. Did some quick checking about Samsung SyncMaster 204B prices. Cheapest is about 385 euros and it's a bit too much for my budget...

But did came across Samsung SyncMaster 205BW with relatively reasonible price. Is this any good?

08-15-07, 12:32 PM	#1
Quagmire Watch Officer Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 335 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	[REQ] Lighting (not lightning) effect fix Do you talented people know how to fix this annoying problem. The lighting effect in this game are really screwed up. Especially when viewed from a distance. It may be a texturing problem too since viewing ships from a distance is whacked. You know, blinking textures on ships most noticed when they are damaged. Here are some screenies that explain what I mean: I know some of you guys are playing with the lighting effects on the ocean. I there any way to simply turn off the lighting effects on the small objects like rails. You really wouldnt miss them since they are so small. Please help! THANKS! . __________________ The day publishers figured out that they could sell flashy first person shooters to teenagers in numbers greater than sand on a beach was the day that quality simulations died. --Col. Tibbets UBI SHIV Forums I guess they should have made SH4 an open boat where we run around inside and shoot each other a 1000 times. They seem to handle those games with numerous patches. --Longam UBI SHIV Forums A sad day has dawned...

08-15-07, 01:26 PM	#6
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	it has nothing to do with the game itself, it's a "problem" wich origin goes back since the very first of all 3D game.It's a matter of rendering 3d on screens like those we're using. kinda hard to explain on the fly. It's just that on the screen resolutions we're using, that details you're showing on your pic is only 3-4 pixels wide. Hence it cannot renders details like we sees with our eyes in real life, wich are much more precise than a screen. there are ways to limit that effect to a considerable extent, but at the cost of hardware... Try using values of at least 6x for Anti-aliasing (they "remove" jaggy edges) Try adding Adaptative antialiasing should your video card has it. Try using highest possible resolution on your screens Try waiting for some new i-don't-know-when screens with resolution of up to 5120x4096 or more where you will have less problems like that... But well, that's not a solution available today Either way, it's not moddable and "doesn't need to". You'll see plenty of those on other games, depending on your "choice" of resolution and Antialias settings __________________

08-15-07, 12:41 PM	#2
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Looks like a video card issue to me. A combination of sun glare and AA. I don't see this problem on my Nvidia card. Are you using an Ati card by any chance?

08-15-07, 01:17 PM	#3
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I run 1024x768x32 with 4x Anti-Aliasing (AA) and 4x Anisotropic Filtering (AF) which is all my rig can handle, but it runs smoothly and looks great. The color banding on that railing can be minimised by either increasing AA or resolution or both, depending on your performance. I encourage you to visit http://www.tweakguides.com/Graphics_1.html for everything you ever wanted to know about this sort of thing; also after that go to his home page and look at his guides that are specific for your video card brand as he has some great info there. Hope this helps; Zeke.

08-15-07, 01:31 PM	#7
sneekyzeke Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Sweet State, Georgia Posts: 134 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Tried to edit my last post, but it didn't work. Look at his frame rate. I would KILL for that kinda FPS. He could probably benefit by increasing goodies or resolution or both.

08-15-07, 01:48 PM	#8
Misfit138 Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 267 Downloads: 80 Uploads: 0	So, if this has something to do with AA settings then how come my S-class conning tower sides still look as ugly with 6x AA and adaptive AA on as without them? And for the record. I was using 1280x1024 resolution in both of these cases

08-15-07, 02:45 PM	#9
Jhereg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 135 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Misfit and OP, 1280x1024 is still gonna get you some aliasing on near horizontal rendered objects. SH3 gives me those even tho my AA is at 16Q and 16 aniso @ 60 FPS; on SH4 they are less noticeable due to running at 1920x1200. You are running at near SH3 res (1024x768) and as such the aliasing is magnified, try running at a higher resolution with a lower AA as that may improve the overall appearance more than a lower res with higher AA.

08-15-07, 03:18 PM	#11
Jhereg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 135 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Hmmm, try getting one of the 20inch LCDs with a 1600x1200 resolution as they are not really to large in actual screen physical size but is high resolution. Hopefully this is not to big for your tunnel vision. 4:3 aspect ratio on above

08-15-07, 07:18 PM	#14
Jhereg Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Suffolk, Virginia Posts: 135 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Misfit, the Samsung SyncMaster 204B is a good choice in the 300ish dollar range, very good 5ms response time and great 800:1 contrast ratio. The Dell 20.1 incher is also nice and you may be able to get it cheaper with their Coupons/Deals they run all the time. HTH edit: Go check the Sammy out at Bestbuy or some other big box store, that way you'll be sure its not too big, or any other 20.1 inch 4:3 ratio LCD. edit 2: LOL, sorry bout that just saw you are in Finland, do not know if Dell does buisiness there, but you should be able to get the Sammy there for sure.