Germany bans Cruise film shoot

That scientology thing is out of control in Germany. Its their country of course, but it certainly looks like a repeat of history to me. Just a different religion.

Germany has barred the makers of a movie about a plot to kill Adolf Hitler from filming at German military sites because its star Tom Cruise is a Scientologist, the Defense Ministry said on Monday.


http://www.reuters.com/article/enter...rpc=22&sp=true


PS I don't particularly like Tom Cruise, but not because of the religion he practices.

[TteFAboB]

Yeah, the Germans don't need a movie remembering the rest of the world that a handful of them finally decided to take action against Hitler.

[CCIP]

I don't particularly like the religion he practices, but not because of Tom Cruise

Ehhh, it's an over-reaction on the part of Germany. I don't actually complain about the status of scientology there, in fact I'm happy with it. But that's a stupid reason to ban a shoot, not exactly a religious ceremony is it :hmm:

[Chock]

Tom Cruise is a moron, as well as being a misogynist control freak with too many birds on his antenna, and his 'religion' is indeed a scam, but I don't think they should have banned filming because of that. They should have banned filming because Tom Cruise couldn't act his way out of a damp paper bag and, almost without exception, its a tough call to decide whether his movies either suck, or blow. Probably both.:rotfl:

Hey, you can be my wingman.. yeah right:rotfl:

Chock

[Skybird]

Second time you jump to the defence of a very dangerous totalitarian psycho-sect that has brought misery to thousands of people and only is about money, political power and economical influence, WG. They are rated as top-threats on the lists of counter-sect projects in European countries. I must wonder if you simply do not know what you are talking about - or if you are a scientologist yourself.

Religion has nothing to do with it. The scientology sect is no religion, not even close to it. It is a sect that abuses people, leads them into heavy psychic dependance, brainwashes and psychologically manipulates them, drives them towards complete self-denial and submission, psychic breakdown, financial exploitation, even suicide. It threatens and vows to hurt, injure and kill members if they leave the sect. It haunts criti9cs and apostates with psycho-terror and diffamation, for months and years. It acts by lies, defamation campaigns, mudthrowing, intimidation, deception and persuasion, and a constant bom,bardement of sues and court files. Preferred target group for harvesting are the young and the rich and influential ones, social leaders and representatives - key figures of social life, preferrably with either political power, or money. Scientology was rejected in several European countires to be accepted as a religion by highest national courts. Intelligence communities warn of them as one of the major threads to constitutional orders of social communities and nations in europe. they are under tight monitoring by intel services in several nations. In Germany, several federal countries also monitor them, and Berlin is about restarting observation again, too, since they said they want to turn the new Berlin centre, close to the governmental quarters, into one of the globally rare elite units of theirs. Some voices, mainly from the intel community, even want to simply prohibit scientology in germany - we even did not prohibit Nazi parties. Says something on the threat level they are rated at.

One either does not know a clue about scientology to defend them, or one is a member. tjhe first can be helped by starting to get informed. The second is either being a victim, or acting criminally and in an attempt to overthrow the constitutional state.

The family of Stauffenberg does not wish to see the Graf being represented by a scientologist, and does not wish their family member, which is a german icon, being abused for a PR stunt by scientology, and the defense ministry also does not want to see a key idol of German military history being linked to scientology. so, permission to shoot the film in the historical Bendlerblock has been rejected. That is all - not more, not less.

It is not about religion. If totalitarian traditions have anything to do with it - than in form of scientology itself.

German authorities have information about the sect wanting to intensify the infiltration of public offices, schools, and economy:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...aid_64326.html

The battle for Germany is considered by scientology sect to be a very important one, because germany, on the basis of it's totalitarian history, so far has been "a great opressor" to them, and strictly opposes them for very good and fundamental reasons, and more actively than many others. to breach that resistance would be a great propaganda stunt for them. the past months have seen several attempts to infiltrate and manipulate public schools and teachers, and attenpts of getting scientology thinking implemented into school books. they now said that in the future they will delete all reference to scientology from their materials by which they could be identified, so that they are not so easily to be exposed. they also want to turn the new Berlin centre, placed close to the government district, into one of their rare elite units.

If one is acting like that, one can hardly claim to be a religion.

There is a reason why I throw neonazis, islam and scientology all into the same pot. They all are offsprings of the same mind that is named TOTALITARIANISM. And that is something I am definitely allergic to.

Note that I am very critical of Stauffenberg myself.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TteFAboB

Yeah, the Germans don't need a movie remembering the rest of the world that a handful of them finally decided to take action against Hitler.

We made those movies already ourself. we do not need Hollywood for that. Or scientology.

2004: "Aufstand des Gewissens" (hailed as being the most precise movie about the man so far, with excellent actors, it won some film award)

1990 "Stauffenberg - Verschwörung gegen Hitler"

1955 "Der 20. Juli"

And many different docufilms.

And before you fall on your knees and pray for his sould for the rest of the night - did you know that the Graf wanted to make sure that the Third Reich and it'S governmental system prevails, and would negotiate a cease-firing with the Allies after Hitler's death - on same eye level, resulting in not capitulating, but in a draw? Just recent historical analysis and research in newly avaiolable sources, as was first documented in a german Tv docu some months ago, reveleaed that the nature of Stauffenberg and his motivation must be seen in a more differentiated, and less blindly heroic light. He was more loyal to the system than most easily assume at first glance.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Second time you jump to the defence of a very dangerous totalitarian psycho-sect that has brought misery to thousands of people and only is about money, political power and economical influence, WG. They are rated as top-threats on the lists of counter-sect projects in European countries. I must wonder if you simply do not know what you are talking about - or if you are a scientologist yourself.

Religion has nothing to do with it. The scientology sect is no religion, not even close to it. It is a sect that abuses people, leads them into heavy psychic dependance, brainwashes and psychologically manipulates them, drives them towards complete self-denial and submission, psychic breakdown, financial exploitation, even suicide. It threatens and vows to hurt, injure and kill members if they leave the sect. It haunts criti9cs and apostates with psycho-terror and diffamation, for months and years. It acts by lies, defamation campaigns, mudthrowing, intimidation, deception and persuasion, and a constant bom,bardement of sues and court files. Preferred target group for harvesting are the young and the rich and influential ones, social leaders and representatives - key figures of social life, preferrably with either political power, or money. Scientology was rejected in several European countires to be accepted as a religion by highest national courts. Intelligence communities warn of them as one of the major threads to constitutional orders of social communities and nations in europe. they are under tight monitoring by intel services in several nations. In Germany, several federal countries also monitor them, and Berlin is about restarting observation again, too, since they said they want to turn the new Berlin centre, close to the governmental quarters, into one of the globally rare elite units of theirs. Some voices, mainly from the intel community, even want to simply prohibit scientology in germany - we even did not prohibit Nazi parties. Says something on the threat level they are rated at.

One either does not know a clue about scientology to defend them, or one is a member. tjhe first can be helped by starting to get informed. The second is either being a victim, or acting criminally and in an attempt to overthrow the constitutional state.

The family of Stauffenberg does not wish to see the Graf being represented by a scientologist, and does not wish their family member, which is a german icon, being abused for a PR stunt by scientology, and the defense ministry also does not want to see a key idol of German military history being linked to scientology. so, permission to shoot the film in the historical Bendlerblock has been rejected. That is all - not more, not less.

It is not about religion. If totalitarian traditions have anything to do with it - than in form of scientology itself.

German authorities have information about the sect wanting to intensify the infiltration of public offices, schools, and economy:

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschl...aid_64326.html

The battle for Germany is considered by scientology sect to be a very important one, because germany, on the basis of it's totalitarian history, so far has been "a great opressor" to them, and strictly opposes them for very good and fundamental reasons, and more actively than many others. to breach that resistance would be a great propaganda stunt for them. the past months have seen several attempts to infiltrate and manipulate public schools and teachers, and attenpts of getting scientology thinking implemented into school books. they now said that in the future they will delete all reference to scientology from their materials by which they could be identified, so that they are not so easily to be exposed.

If one is acting like that, one can hardly claim to be a religion.

Note that I am very critical of Stauffenberg myself.

I thought you placed me on your ignore list Skybird?!

That being said........OK either way.

In response to your post let me point you to an essay by Joseph Goebbels in 1941. Just too many parallels to be healthy.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb1.htm

[Skybird]

I thought you placed me on your ignore list Skybird?!

Just released you this hour and already regretting it, since the first thing I read - is this.

No parallels in your document. Scientology, and the Jews as victims of a monstrous crime in the 30s and 40s, do not compare, not even close. Scientoloy is no victim - it is the attacker, and liberal democratic societies are meant to be it's prey.

More propaganda from you.

[Thniper]

@Skybird:

Couldn't have said it any better!

I totally agree with you.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Just released you this hour and already regretting it, since the first thing I read - is this.

No parallels in your document. Scientology, and the Jews as victims of a monstrous crime in the 30s and 40s, do not compare, not even close. Scientoloy is no victim - it is the attacker, and liberal democratic societies are meant to be it's prey.

More propaganda from you.

The essay is accusing the Jews of what you accuse Scientology of being. Insert Scientology where you see Jew and where you see 'the German Reich' insert 'German authorities' and there you have it.

PS
Like I stated its your country. But which religion will the German authorities be going after next?

EDIT: Just so I have it right, you don't like the Poles, you don't like the Scientologists; my question is when in the anschluss? Like I stated unhealthy.

[Reaves]

Is it worse then translating tablets out of a hat though?

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Skybird

We made those movies already ourself. we do not need Hollywood for that. Or scientology.

2004: "Aufstand des Gewissens" (hailed as being the most precise movie about the man so far, with excellent actors, it won some film award)

1990 "Stauffenberg - Verschwörung gegen Hitler"

1955 "Der 20. Juli"

And many different docufilms.

And before you fall on your knees and pray for his sould for the rest of the night - did you know that the Graf wanted to make sure that the Third Reich and it'S governmental system prevails, and would negotiate a cease-firing with the Allies after Hitler's death - on same eye level, resulting in not capitulating, but in a draw? Just recent historical analysis and research in newly avaiolable sources, as was first documented in a german Tv docu some months ago, reveleaed that the nature of Stauffenberg and his motivation must be seen in a more differentiated, and less blindly heroic light. He was more loyal to the system than most easily assume at first glance.

Hey Skybird.

Did you read the new Gunter Grass book "Crabwalk"? It's about the repercussions of the Germans not being able to openly talk about their past, and not being able to grieve for the misfortunes that they experienced during the War.

[P_Funk]

Originally Posted by waste gate

EDIT: Just so I have it right, you don't like the Poles, you don't like the Scientologists; my question is when in the anschluss? Like I stated unhealthy.

There is a twisted and inflammatory remark. That isn't even a rational point, its just a snipe thats trying to piss off Skybird.

This is when you want a moderator to slap little boys on the wrists.

[CCIP]

What good did scientologists do to be defended? And what did they likewise do to deserve being recognized as a religion? You'd think we have enough of those to go around... :hmm:


Seriously, as much as a ban on these grounds from shooting a movie is stupid... I just don't see where the good in these bunch of nuts is. I could make a better religion than that, just that I'm not a filthy rich sci-fi writer who has the money for proper PR.

Also rather funny to come from you waste gate, considering you've called socialism a religion in a negative sense before. You think these nuts are better than socialists, huh...

[Onkel Neal]

This is a potentially volatile topic, keep it civil, please.