Crew Health/Damage

FatCat · 08-06-07, 07:19 PM

Does anyone know if there is a way to modify the Crew health/damage model so it's a little more realistic?

Fearless · 08-06-07, 07:28 PM

Welcome FatCat. I couldn't possible say but if compared to SH3 format then the SH4 model is much more complicated.

CaptainHaplo · 08-06-07, 07:40 PM

Well mate - describe what you think "realisitic" is. Not saying that what we have is realisitic, but damage is moddable in a number of ways, so some tweaking could be done. Just need an idea of the direction you want to take it.

ReallyDedPoet · 08-06-07, 08:05 PM

Welcome to SUBSIM

FatCat

I like the current model, but am interested to hear what you have to add, options are nice

RDP

tater · 08-07-07, 12:11 AM

I'd like the deck crew to be wounded or killed if hit by 20/25mm cannon fire.

You can parked next to a ship armed with AAA guns, and they will put a zillion rounds into the sub, all over, and the deck crew doesn't blink, much less get hurt.

FatCat · 08-07-07, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Well mate - describe what you think "realisitic" is.

No one ever dies or even gets close until the boats sunk. I don't think I've had a crew member get below 50% heath in 3 careers. I'd just like to tweak it so I have a little more incentive to keep hidden.

tater · 08-07-07, 08:13 AM

^^^^ yeah.

Peto · 08-07-07, 09:44 AM

Just a thought here:

I looked at the files and can't see anything to make the crew any less resilent to being pounded by AA fire. But I was thinking...

What if we reduced the Health Value from a default of 100 to something more like 40-50 and were able to make the sim think that that was a normal max? That way, when they crewmen do get wounded, there'll be a lot less points they can lose before they are KIA.

Just an idea. Not familiar enough with the system to know if it's viable.

Peto

tater · 08-07-07, 09:45 AM

since 20mm does no damage at all to the sub, I guess i should try upping the damage the 20/25mm does first.

chopped50ford · 08-07-07, 04:29 PM

not that I wish death on my crew members, but from surface attacks from planes and other ships should result in something especially from "heavy" spraying and heavy depth charges could produce results from the enemy as well. Banged up personnel...

hey, maybe we could add mental issues to the health too

CaptainHaplo · 08-07-07, 07:34 PM

Tater, we had discussed the vulnerability of the deck gun crew. It looks like the vulnerability is tied to the exposure variable. I have not had time to do more than a couple of tests, but if everyone could give some feedback on the amount of damage they would expect to see, I may be able to work something up over the weekend. The real problem with increasing the vulnerability inside the sub is that the damage is applied across all the watches, not just the active group. This means if a few get hurt, your likely to have alot of injured folks in a single compartment. Thats going to really affect DC if your pinned in by escorts.... Just something to keep in mind. We will see what a start can be made and then find out how much tweaking is available from there.

tater · 08-07-07, 07:55 PM

I tried those suggestions before. Upped exposure to 9, and even cut armor to 9 from 15 on tower in zones. worked fine for surface fights, but was a disaster for DC attacks.

08-06-07, 07:19 PM	#1
FatCat Nub Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Crew Health/Damage Does anyone know if there is a way to modify the Crew health/damage model so it's a little more realistic?

08-06-07, 07:28 PM	#2
Fearless Ace of the Deep Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 1,047 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 1	Welcome FatCat. I couldn't possible say but if compared to SH3 format then the SH4 model is much more complicated. __________________ Fearless System Specs: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8 Core 16 Thread CPU, 3.8GHz Base Clock, 4.7GHz Boost, 105W TDP, 32MB L3 cache \| MSI GeForce RTX3060Ti 8Gb Graphics \| Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32Gb (2x16Gb) 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4 Ram \| Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe SSD 1TB \| Seagate Barracuda 2.5in 2TB HDD \| AOC QHD 165 Hz FreeSync HDR curved 31.5in Monitor \| ASUS ROG Strix LC 240 ARGB AIO Liquid CPU Cooler White Edition \| ASUS ROG Strix Gold 750W Modular Power Supply \| Corsair iCUE 5000X RGB Tempered Glass Mid Tower Case White.

08-06-07, 07:40 PM	#3
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well mate - describe what you think "realisitic" is. Not saying that what we have is realisitic, but damage is moddable in a number of ways, so some tweaking could be done. Just need an idea of the direction you want to take it. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

08-06-07, 08:05 PM	#4
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,890 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Welcome to SUBSIM FatCat I like the current model, but am interested to hear what you have to add, options are nice RDP __________________ Back in the Day

08-07-07, 04:29 PM	#10
chopped50ford Weps Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bentonville, AR Posts: 367 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	not that I wish death on my crew members, but from surface attacks from planes and other ships should result in something especially from "heavy" spraying and heavy depth charges could produce results from the enemy as well. Banged up personnel... hey, maybe we could add mental issues to the health too __________________ TM2(SS) USS Asheville - Plankowner, Shellback, "Order of the Ditch" http://ths-i.com/

08-07-07, 12:11 AM	#5
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'd like the deck crew to be wounded or killed if hit by 20/25mm cannon fire. You can parked next to a ship armed with AAA guns, and they will put a zillion rounds into the sub, all over, and the deck crew doesn't blink, much less get hurt.

08-07-07, 08:13 AM	#7
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	^^^^ yeah.

08-07-07, 09:44 AM	#8
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Just a thought here: I looked at the files and can't see anything to make the crew any less resilent to being pounded by AA fire. But I was thinking... What if we reduced the Health Value from a default of 100 to something more like 40-50 and were able to make the sim think that that was a normal max? That way, when they crewmen do get wounded, there'll be a lot less points they can lose before they are KIA. Just an idea. Not familiar enough with the system to know if it's viable. Peto

08-07-07, 09:45 AM	#9
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	since 20mm does no damage at all to the sub, I guess i should try upping the damage the 20/25mm does first.

08-07-07, 07:34 PM	#11
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Tater, we had discussed the vulnerability of the deck gun crew. It looks like the vulnerability is tied to the exposure variable. I have not had time to do more than a couple of tests, but if everyone could give some feedback on the amount of damage they would expect to see, I may be able to work something up over the weekend. The real problem with increasing the vulnerability inside the sub is that the damage is applied across all the watches, not just the active group. This means if a few get hurt, your likely to have alot of injured folks in a single compartment. Thats going to really affect DC if your pinned in by escorts.... Just something to keep in mind. We will see what a start can be made and then find out how much tweaking is available from there. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

08-07-07, 07:55 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I tried those suggestions before. Upped exposure to 9, and even cut armor to 9 from 15 on tower in zones. worked fine for surface fights, but was a disaster for DC attacks.