Romanian merchant heading into Dutch port?

Paul Riley · 03-14-10, 03:21 PM

Tonight I spotted a ship heading east through AN87 into Zeebrugge it seems.Upon closer inspection it was confirmed as a Romanian large merchant,easily a juicy 7 and a half thousand tonner too.Now with Romania being allied to Germany for most of the war would it seem normal for Romanian shipping to operate in waters so close to Britain and France? I was lucky I didnt attack in the end,at first I thought it was a French vessel but moved in closer until I could JUST pick out yellow on the flag in the darkness,so much for having lights on ships,why don't they bloody use them?

Gilbou · 03-14-10, 03:34 PM

Some neutral ships are known to go all lights off if submarines are known to be in the area. Better travel all lights off and not become a mistake

Sailor Steve · 03-14-10, 03:48 PM

In the stock game no ships are lighted. In GWX some neutrals are lighted, but not all.

Jimbuna · 03-14-10, 03:50 PM

As above....the only exception being, if it is lit it is a neutral.

vergol · 03-14-10, 04:15 PM

I once spotted a non-lit Norwegian merchant in formation with a British convoy, in 1939. I hesitated to attack it, though I'm pretty sure it was fair game historically.

If my memory serves, any and all ships that were part of an armed/escorted enemy convoy were treated as hostile.

Jimbuna · 03-14-10, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vergol

I once spotted a non-lit Norwegian merchant in formation with a British convoy, in 1939. I hesitated to attack it, though I'm pretty sure it was fair game historically.

If my memory serves, any and all ships that were part of an armed/escorted enemy convoy were treated as hostile.

The game is different....no semblence with RL in that respect.

vergol · 03-14-10, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

The game is different....no semblence with RL in that respect.

So are you saying I was right not to attack the non-lit Norwegian in 1939? The game would've held it against me?

Jimbuna · 03-14-10, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by vergol

So are you saying I was right not to attack the non-lit Norwegian in 1939? The game would've held it against me?

Yes...if the ship is a neutral at the time of sinking you will receive a negative renown hit and every ship from that country will consider you an enemy for the following 24 hours.

vergol · 03-14-10, 05:04 PM

That's what I thought. No matter though; we celebrated Christmas a few weeks ago; it is now 1940. A few more months and the Norwegians will regret this treachery.

Jimbuna · 03-14-10, 06:11 PM

SINK EM ALL!!

Wulfmann · 03-14-10, 06:22 PM

I changed neutral to count the same as enemy for rewards but I have a strict policy regarding attacking them.

They must be near an enemy port headed in that direction. If they are headed away that is not good enough.
On my latest Pauchenschlag patrol their was a Venezuelan convoy of tankers in the Florida straits headed for Port Canaveral. The were about 50 miles from the port so i took out the big one as it was obviously delivering oil to the Amerikaneren Schweinen!!!

Because there are known war zones where attacking a neutral was acceptable if one can abide by those rules it makes no sense for game's sake to not attack a ship that would have been a fair target.

At least IMO

Wulfmann

03-14-10, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wulfmann

I changed neutral to count the same as enemy for rewards but I have a strict policy regarding attacking them.

They must be near an enemy port headed in that direction. If they are headed away that is not good enough.
On my latest Pauchenschlag patrol their was a Venezuelan convoy of tankers in the Florida straits headed for Port Canaveral. The were about 50 miles from the port so i took out the big one as it was obviously delivering oil to the Amerikaneren Schweinen!!!

Because there are known war zones where attacking a neutral was acceptable if one can abide by those rules it makes no sense for game's sake to not attack a ship that would have been a fair target.

At least IMO

Wulfmann

Agreed.
I'm set up the same way, with the same rules.

vergol · 03-14-10, 11:34 PM

Is this special set of rules part of some mod? Or did you have to tweak some text files to enable it?

03-14-10, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by vergol

Is this special set of rules part of some mod? Or did you have to tweak some text files to enable it?

Neither. It's just plain old self control.

F.eks.: In 1939, it's OK to target a norwegian ship outside of, and on a course to Hartlepool, UK.
It's not OK to sink that very same ship outside of Oslo, Norway.

A US flagged ship in an english convoy is fair game.
A US flagged ship, sailing alone, Mid Atlantic, is hands off.

In other words you can get + renown for sinking neutrals that would be historicaly acceptable targets, but you should excercise some self control in NOT sinking neutrals that are historicaly unacceptable targets.

vergol · 03-15-10, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

In other words you can get + renown for sinking neutrals that would be historicaly acceptable targets, but you should excercise some self control in NOT sinking neutrals that are historicaly unacceptable targets.

Not sure I follow. The game subtracts renown if you sink neutral-flagged merchants. But you're telling me I'll get + renown for sinking those same merchants in 'contested' areas.

Do you mean to say I should willingly take a renown hit for staying true to historical accuracy?

03-14-10, 03:21 PM	#1
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Romanian merchant heading into Dutch port? Tonight I spotted a ship heading east through AN87 into Zeebrugge it seems.Upon closer inspection it was confirmed as a Romanian large merchant,easily a juicy 7 and a half thousand tonner too.Now with Romania being allied to Germany for most of the war would it seem normal for Romanian shipping to operate in waters so close to Britain and France? I was lucky I didnt attack in the end,at first I thought it was a French vessel but moved in closer until I could JUST pick out yellow on the flag in the darkness,so much for having lights on ships,why don't they bloody use them? __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-14-10, 03:48 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	In the stock game no ships are lighted. In GWX some neutrals are lighted, but not all. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-14-10, 03:50 PM	#4
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	As above....the only exception being, if it is lit it is a neutral. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-14-10, 06:11 PM	#10
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	SINK EM ALL!! __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-14-10, 06:22 PM	#11
Wulfmann Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 1,010 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I changed neutral to count the same as enemy for rewards but I have a strict policy regarding attacking them. They must be near an enemy port headed in that direction. If they are headed away that is not good enough. On my latest Pauchenschlag patrol their was a Venezuelan convoy of tankers in the Florida straits headed for Port Canaveral. The were about 50 miles from the port so i took out the big one as it was obviously delivering oil to the Amerikaneren Schweinen!!! Because there are known war zones where attacking a neutral was acceptable if one can abide by those rules it makes no sense for game's sake to not attack a ship that would have been a fair target. At least IMO Wulfmann __________________ "The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed upon, if only to prevent tyranny in government" Thomas Jefferson,; Constitutional debates

03-14-10, 03:34 PM	#2
Gilbou Chief Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: France Posts: 313 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Some neutral ships are known to go all lights off if submarines are known to be in the area. Better travel all lights off and not become a mistake

03-14-10, 04:15 PM	#5
vergol Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 121 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I once spotted a non-lit Norwegian merchant in formation with a British convoy, in 1939. I hesitated to attack it, though I'm pretty sure it was fair game historically. If my memory serves, any and all ships that were part of an armed/escorted enemy convoy were treated as hostile.

03-14-10, 05:04 PM	#9
vergol Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 121 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	That's what I thought. No matter though; we celebrated Christmas a few weeks ago; it is now 1940. A few more months and the Norwegians will regret this treachery.

03-14-10, 11:34 PM	#13
vergol Machinist's Mate Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 121 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Is this special set of rules part of some mod? Or did you have to tweak some text files to enable it?