HMAS Kanimbla Black Hawk Helicopter Crash footage

[TarJak]

Amazing footage of the crash of an Australian Army Black Hawk crashing on the deck of HMAS Kanimbla in November 2006:

http://media.fairfax.com.au/?sy=smh&...News&rid=29076

Story on the inquest here:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...019030678.html

[Mush Martin]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Amazing footage of the crash of an Australian Army Black Hawk crashing on the deck of HMAS Kanimbla in November 2006:

http://media.fairfax.com.au/?sy=smh&...News&rid=29076

Story on the inquest here:
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...019030678.html

Wow video link flopped but the story worked out fine.
Here in Canada we have our share of Poor helicopters and subs.
but both ship and aircraft are of a good variety there. nasty buisness
although 2500m to recover the data and the body were impressive feats.
Sad to hear none the less albeit a year late in my case.
MM

[bookworm_020]

Most of the Collins class sub's problems have been solved. With the helicopters, they have gien the go ahead to finish the Sea sprite helicopters. The black hawk that crashed did so in dangerous conditions, so that one is human error.

The other black hawk crashes have been put down to some of the hazadous conditions they fly and train in.

Still it's sad that it happened, and hopeful won't be repeated.

[Reaves]

I just heard on the radio that they released this footage before one of the survivors saw it. How arogant is our military not to consult him in a matter like this.

[TarJak]

Mate it was a civilian court that let me media release it. I agree it's digusting.

If the SMH link doesn't work the video's are now on You tube in several forms:

[Reaves]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Mate it was a civilian court that let me media release it. I agree it's digusting.

If the SMH link doesn't work the video's are now on You tube in several forms:

Guilty of speaking without knowing the facts. Again...

I take back my comment and direct it at the civilian courts. They should have at least given them warning about it. Instead of allowing a survivor to be surprised at dinner time by seeing something like this on tv.

[TarJak]

I might got it slightly wrong too. The justice presiding at the inquest is a civilian but the inquest is military. To quote the article "A damning Senate report into abuses of the military justice system led to changes to the board of inquiry process, including the appointment of civilians as president. Justice Levine is the first civilian in a major inquiry since the changes."

Another example of no-one caring about the little guy's feelings though.

Still its amazing there were survivors given the impact on the deck and the quick sinking.

The inquiry was told that the Army took out or did not order the inflatable bags thatthe UH-60 can be equipped with that would have slowed the sinking, to save money. If these had been installed the pilot and the other guy who died might have had time to get out of the wreck. Apparently the pilot's helmet snagged on the aerial as he tried to escape but drowned as a result of not having time to get free.

Another example of our penny pinching military not looking after its people.

[bookworm_020]

Originally Posted by TarJak

The inquiry was told that the Army took out or did not order the inflatable bags thatthe UH-60 can be equipped with that would have slowed the sinking, to save money.

Close, but not quite. The Army had considered having the floatation bags, but decided against it, due to the fact that even though it would slow the sinking of the aircraft, it would also slow the exit of the passangers and crew.

A tough choice in which there will always be a "Maybe"

The military and the goverment tried to stop the crash video being released but the judge ignored them and released it because the media wanted it and said it "Was in the Public intrest" - what about the intrests of the survivours and the families?

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by bookworm_020

Close, but not quite. The Army had considered having the floatation bags, but decided against it, due to the fact that even though it would slow the sinking of the aircraft, it would also slow the exit of the passangers and crew.

A tough choice in which there will always be a "Maybe"

Thanks for correcting, I heard this morning on Ch9 that it was a cost saving measure. One of the SAS troopers (A clearance diver), reckoned he didn't get out until the chopper was 20-30m underwater based on the rate at which he was clearing his ears and how long it took him to get to the surface. (He actually hit the hull of the Kanimbla on the way up!)

I know there will always be maybe's but if it sunk slower I think they might have all made it. It will be interesting to see what the inquest concludes.

[TarJak]

This report says the Army left off the flotation devices because they "undermined performance in and escape, meant significant modifcation and were expensive."


I leave it up to you to opine on which was the deciding factor.

[baggygreen]

To this i would also like to add, (according to an "experienced chopper pilot" who wrote to my local paper)

the Kanimbla was not headed into the wind, but moving with it. meaning the chopper's tail rotor stalled, they lost control and began counterrotating, and boom.

this may explain why the military didnt want the footage released.. it shows not pilot error but error on the command and control component of the crew.

if its true, of course.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Reaves

Guilty of speaking without knowing the facts. Again...

I take back my comment and direct it at the civilian courts. They should have at least given them warning about it. Instead of allowing a survivor to be surprised at dinner time by seeing something like this on tv.

Media will show anything that gets them ratings. It was sickening how many times they played the 9/11 Footage of the planes crashing and the towers falling.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Heibges

Media will show anything that gets them ratings. It was sickening how many times they played the 9/11 Footage of the planes crashing and the towers falling.

Well, it was sort of, news.

[Heibges]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well, it was sort of, news.

I agree that it was news and needed to be reported. But replaying the actually footage hundreds and hundreds of times was repugnant.