idea for transparant water

thefretmaster · 06-29-07, 09:45 AM

i had a thaught about the transparant water. im guessing that this could be achieved by not making the water see-thru but instead changing the water reflection for each boat so it is a upsidedown version of the model.

if you understand what i am trying to say then great, if not its kinda hard to explain.

um, the reflection map is usually the same 3d model as the actuall boat. i havnt tried to do any of this as i dont have sh3 installed atm so i dont know how accessable the reflection map is.

so this is the model \________/
~~~~~~~~~ lol boat on water

and this is the refection map \________/ exactly the same as the model

so you get it reflected onto the water like a mirror

if you flip the reflection model upside-down im guessing that the reflection would be flipped too so with a bit of tweaking you could get it lined up so that the reflection is showing the hull of the boat instead of the masts and stuff reflected
kind of giving a transparant water effect

\_________/
~~~~~~~~~
\__________/ this kinda thing

if anyone understands this or how to do it then do try it and see if it works, i am no where near good enough to attempt it so i wont but thats some input from me

flakmonkey · 06-30-07, 04:33 AM

A couple of hours ago i accidentaly acheived this with my x-craft sub, the reflection model was in the wrong position and it looked for all the world like the water was transparent,
Its a cracking idea and as i found it does work, you do howwever loose your reflection

thefretmaster · 06-30-07, 09:40 AM

awesome, i knew it would work to some extent. would it be to much of a hassle to post a screeny of it for us? (or me

) i might re-install the game and try it too

flakmonkey · 07-03-07, 08:57 AM

screenies:
http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent1.jpg
http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent2.jpg
http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent3.jpg
http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent4.jpg
http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent5.jpg

Mush Martin · 07-03-07, 09:16 AM

Thats Brilliant well done both of you it looks Great!
MM

GT182 · 07-03-07, 11:00 AM

Looks great FM. And your alblum on the Brit mini is great too.

ReallyDedPoet · 07-03-07, 11:18 AM

Nicely done

RDP

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr · 07-03-07, 11:56 AM

awsome

you should upload it so others can download this

Schöneboom · 07-03-07, 12:08 PM

Mensch, you're really on to something! Does the effect work for all types of subs, even at PD?

07-03-07, 12:48 PM

How does it work in rough water? Reflection might be not that necessary... hmm

Looks cool!

GoldenEagle8 · 07-03-07, 12:56 PM

I like that alot better!!

Boris · 07-03-07, 01:02 PM

Um... wow, that looks surprisingly good!

But this has to be done per unit, right?

Seems like a mammoth job

Mush Martin · 07-03-07, 04:08 PM

yes assumably every unit would need to be done for it to look
universal in game.
I wonder if its possible to attach both reflections inverse and regular
simultaneously with mildly different transparency values?
M

thefretmaster · 07-03-07, 05:31 PM

wow it actually worked

thats for that flakmonkey. if people would like this i can re-install sh3 and try to do it for a few more ships. y'kno experiment and see what works well.
i did think that as it will be reflecting an upsidedown version of the ship it might look too transparant as you can see right to the bottom of the boat, ill see what happens
thanks again flakmonkey

ReallyDedPoet · 07-03-07, 07:36 PM

Look forward to your continued work.

RDP

06-29-07, 09:45 AM	#1
thefretmaster Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: filton england Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	idea for transparant water i had a thaught about the transparant water. im guessing that this could be achieved by not making the water see-thru but instead changing the water reflection for each boat so it is a upsidedown version of the model. if you understand what i am trying to say then great, if not its kinda hard to explain. um, the reflection map is usually the same 3d model as the actuall boat. i havnt tried to do any of this as i dont have sh3 installed atm so i dont know how accessable the reflection map is. so this is the model \________/ ~~~~~~~~~ lol boat on water and this is the refection map \________/ exactly the same as the model so you get it reflected onto the water like a mirror if you flip the reflection model upside-down im guessing that the reflection would be flipped too so with a bit of tweaking you could get it lined up so that the reflection is showing the hull of the boat instead of the masts and stuff reflected kind of giving a transparant water effect \_________/ ~~~~~~~~~ \__________/ this kinda thing if anyone understands this or how to do it then do try it and see if it works, i am no where near good enough to attempt it so i wont but thats some input from me __________________ Check out my band www.myspace.com/retrostate

06-30-07, 04:33 AM	#2
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	A couple of hours ago i accidentaly acheived this with my x-craft sub, the reflection model was in the wrong position and it looked for all the world like the water was transparent, Its a cracking idea and as i found it does work, you do howwever loose your reflection __________________

06-30-07, 09:40 AM	#3
thefretmaster Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: filton england Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	awesome, i knew it would work to some extent. would it be to much of a hassle to post a screeny of it for us? (or me ) i might re-install the game and try it too __________________ Check out my band www.myspace.com/retrostate

07-03-07, 08:57 AM	#4
flakmonkey Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Staffordshire, Uk Posts: 944 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	screenies: http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent1.jpg http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent2.jpg http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent3.jpg http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent4.jpg http://s201.photobucket.com/albums/aa186/tris1066/?action=view&current=transparent5.jpg __________________

07-03-07, 09:16 AM	#5
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thats Brilliant well done both of you it looks Great! MM __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

07-03-07, 11:00 AM	#6
GT182 Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Castle of Delaware Posts: 3,231 Downloads: 658 Uploads: 0	Looks great FM. And your alblum on the Brit mini is great too. __________________ Gary No Borders, No Language, No Culture =s No Country I'm a Deplorable, and proud of it.

07-03-07, 11:18 AM	#7
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Nicely done RDP __________________ Back in the Day

07-03-07, 11:56 AM	#8
Kaleu. Jochen Mohr Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: in my sub Posts: 2,741 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	awsome you should upload it so others can download this __________________ Gruß

07-03-07, 12:08 PM	#9
Schöneboom Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 651 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Mensch, you're really on to something! Does the effect work for all types of subs, even at PD? __________________ Dietrich Schöneboom, U-431 "Es wird klappen, Herr Kaleun. Ganz sicher."

07-03-07, 12:48 PM	#10
Hadrys Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	How does it work in rough water? Reflection might be not that necessary... hmm Looks cool!

07-03-07, 12:56 PM	#11
GoldenEagle8 Engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: I think I'm lost? Posts: 206 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I like that alot better!! __________________ "YES! Everything I do is a surprise! EVEN TO ME!" "Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." ~Otto von Bismarck "I thought so little, they rewarded me by making me the ruler of the Queen's Navy." ~Sir Joseph Porter (HMS Pinafore)

07-03-07, 01:02 PM	#12
Boris Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hamburg, Germany Posts: 1,691 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	Um... wow, that looks surprisingly good! But this has to be done per unit, right? Seems like a mammoth job

07-03-07, 04:08 PM	#13
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	yes assumably every unit would need to be done for it to look universal in game. I wonder if its possible to attach both reflections inverse and regular simultaneously with mildly different transparency values? M __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

07-03-07, 05:31 PM	#14
thefretmaster Officer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: filton england Posts: 246 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	wow it actually worked thats for that flakmonkey. if people would like this i can re-install sh3 and try to do it for a few more ships. y'kno experiment and see what works well. i did think that as it will be reflecting an upsidedown version of the ship it might look too transparant as you can see right to the bottom of the boat, ill see what happens thanks again flakmonkey __________________ Check out my band www.myspace.com/retrostate

07-03-07, 07:36 PM	#15
ReallyDedPoet Canadian Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada. The one and only, East Coast Posts: 10,886 Downloads: 946 Uploads: 5	Look forward to your continued work. RDP __________________ Back in the Day