Starting sub - which is the best class to start with?

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 04:35 PM

I'm about to start a campaign, but there is little hint on the differences between the boats in the manual, etc., and the online difference as far as I kind find are rather pathetic too.

Anyone have any clues on this?

-S

Ducimus · 04-20-07, 05:35 PM

Personally, i would start with a Tambor or Gar (same thing really).

dangchang · 04-20-07, 06:03 PM

I too enjoy the Tambor.

Iron Budokan · 04-20-07, 06:42 PM

When I played the sim I always started off with the Gar. Awesome sub, imo.

SteamWake · 04-20-07, 06:55 PM

Heres a helpful thread

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=performance

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 06:59 PM

Thanks for the info, but from the looks of it, the specs from what type are nearly the same as the next. That is why I ask. With the German subs, this was an easy task.

-S

Ducimus · 04-20-07, 08:46 PM

Well, the selection is really the result of evolution in sub design. When US navy said, "we want a sub capable of this, that, and the other thing". So US subs were slowly evolving over time as new designs were tried to meet the Navy's needs.

The rough evolutionary gist of it is:

S Class -> Porpoise -> Salmon -> Sargo -> Tambor/Gar -> Gato -> Balao -> Tench

- porpoise is pretty much like a german type 9. 4 forward/ 2 aft

- Salmon/Sargo have 4 forward / 4 aft

- Tambor/Gar are the first fully realized fleet boats 6 forward/ 4 aft

- The gato is to the tambor what an IXC/40 was to an IXC, only it dove deeper.

- Balao is what a 7/c41 is to a 7c. This boat dove deeper then a Gato.

- Tench, not in game.

SUBMAN1 · 04-20-07, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, the selection is really the result of evolution in sub design. When US navy said, "we want a sub capable of this, that, and the other thing". So US subs were slowly evolving over time as new designs were tried to meet the Navy's needs.

The rough evolutionary gist of it is:

S Class -> Porpoise -> Salmon -> Sargo -> Tambor/Gar -> Gato -> Balao -> Tench

- porpoise is pretty much like a german type 9. 4 forward/ 2 aft

- Salmon/Sargo have 4 forward / 4 aft

- Tambor/Gar are the first fully realized fleet boats 6 forward/ 4 aft

- The gato is to the tambor what an IXC/40 was to an IXC, only it dove deeper.

- Balao is what a 7/c41 is to a 7c. This boat dove deeper then a Gato.

- Tench, not in game.

So no real difference between Tambor and Gar?

CCIP · 04-20-07, 11:57 PM

In the game, none in fact - they share the same files for all performance.

I like to start out with something sub-tambor. So far I've played around with Porpoise, Sargo and S-class more than the later boats in fact.

Ducimus · 04-24-07, 06:02 PM

Gonnna pump this post cause i found this post at the ubi forums by a mod there (google search

)

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/1941046945

Kind of informative, info in that post i couldnt find online.

bobwill · 04-24-07, 07:01 PM

Personally, I like to start out primitive.
So for me, I like the Porpoise and the S-class; however, the game gives kind of a false sense of decency to those classes. I mean, there was an S boat that sank in the Patuxant River in Maryland for crying out loud; and the TDC that you see in the game wasn't introduced until the Tambor class, and even the Porpoise was considered to have unreliable engines by the time the war started.
I just like to start out with the crappy boats because I think it makes you appreciate the ability to fire off 10 torpedoes, and detect enemy ships and airplanes with RADAR and dive to a 60 foot periscope depth all that much more when you do get them.

SUBMAN1 · 04-24-07, 07:18 PM

I've been running on an S class. I see some other classes with this fleet that aren't mentioned above too.

-S

PS. NEver mind - they are mentioned - Salmon and Sargo class. So basically this early in the war, I need to hope to upgrade to a Gato I think.

Camaero · 04-24-07, 09:21 PM

The Salmon! I love those subs and I always have for some reason. Sure they are a bit old, but they sure take a lot and they will give a lot.

kiwi_2005 · 04-24-07, 09:24 PM

The Gato is the best to start with but its way better to start from the very begining, the mighty SS CLASS

and work ya way up. I just got given the US DRUM. But im a long way from getting the Gato yet.

Grothesj2 · 04-25-07, 01:13 AM

There is no best class to start with. Every person wants to play thier own way. Try them all, see what you like. If you were the kind that liked Type II in SHIII for example, use an S-boat. Want a better boat, get something like a Gar. Nothing says you cant run several concurrent campaigns with different boat types.

04-20-07, 04:35 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Starting sub - which is the best class to start with? I'm about to start a campaign, but there is little hint on the differences between the boats in the manual, etc., and the online difference as far as I kind find are rather pathetic too. Anyone have any clues on this? -S __________________

04-20-07, 06:42 PM	#4
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	When I played the sim I always started off with the Gar. Awesome sub, imo. __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

04-20-07, 06:59 PM	#6
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the info, but from the looks of it, the specs from what type are nearly the same as the next. That is why I ask. With the German subs, this was an easy task. -S __________________

04-20-07, 11:57 PM	#9
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	In the game, none in fact - they share the same files for all performance. I like to start out with something sub-tambor. So far I've played around with Porpoise, Sargo and S-class more than the later boats in fact. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

04-24-07, 07:18 PM	#12
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've been running on an S class. I see some other classes with this fleet that aren't mentioned above too. -S PS. NEver mind - they are mentioned - Salmon and Sargo class. So basically this early in the war, I need to hope to upgrade to a Gato I think. __________________

04-20-07, 05:35 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Personally, i would start with a Tambor or Gar (same thing really).

04-20-07, 06:03 PM	#3
dangchang Watch Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 27 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I too enjoy the Tambor.

04-20-07, 06:55 PM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Heres a helpful thread http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ht=performance

04-20-07, 08:46 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, the selection is really the result of evolution in sub design. When US navy said, "we want a sub capable of this, that, and the other thing". So US subs were slowly evolving over time as new designs were tried to meet the Navy's needs. The rough evolutionary gist of it is: S Class -> Porpoise -> Salmon -> Sargo -> Tambor/Gar -> Gato -> Balao -> Tench - porpoise is pretty much like a german type 9. 4 forward/ 2 aft - Salmon/Sargo have 4 forward / 4 aft - Tambor/Gar are the first fully realized fleet boats 6 forward/ 4 aft - The gato is to the tambor what an IXC/40 was to an IXC, only it dove deeper. - Balao is what a 7/c41 is to a 7c. This boat dove deeper then a Gato. - Tench, not in game.

04-24-07, 06:02 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Gonnna pump this post cause i found this post at the ubi forums by a mod there (google search ) http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...5/m/1941046945 Kind of informative, info in that post i couldnt find online.

04-24-07, 07:01 PM	#11
bobwill Nub Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Personally, I like to start out primitive. So for me, I like the Porpoise and the S-class; however, the game gives kind of a false sense of decency to those classes. I mean, there was an S boat that sank in the Patuxant River in Maryland for crying out loud; and the TDC that you see in the game wasn't introduced until the Tambor class, and even the Porpoise was considered to have unreliable engines by the time the war started. I just like to start out with the crappy boats because I think it makes you appreciate the ability to fire off 10 torpedoes, and detect enemy ships and airplanes with RADAR and dive to a 60 foot periscope depth all that much more when you do get them.

04-24-07, 09:21 PM	#13
Camaero The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA, Massachusetts Posts: 1,477 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	The Salmon! I love those subs and I always have for some reason. Sure they are a bit old, but they sure take a lot and they will give a lot. __________________

04-24-07, 09:24 PM	#14
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	The Gato is the best to start with but its way better to start from the very begining, the mighty SS CLASS and work ya way up. I just got given the US DRUM. But im a long way from getting the Gato yet. __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

04-25-07, 01:13 AM	#15
Grothesj2 Medic Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 167 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There is no best class to start with. Every person wants to play thier own way. Try them all, see what you like. If you were the kind that liked Type II in SHIII for example, use an S-boat. Want a better boat, get something like a Gar. Nothing says you cant run several concurrent campaigns with different boat types.